【龙腾网】英国政府决定在2030年代建立无烟社会，大家怎么看？

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I saw on the news that the age to buy cigarettes and other tobacco-related items would raise every year, in a bid to dissuade younger people from cigs and whatnot. So to buy cigs now you have to be 18, next year you’d have to be 19, then 20 in 2024 and so on.

我看到新闻上说购买香烟和与烟草有关的东西时，要求的年龄每年都会提高，以劝阻年轻人远离香烟。比如现在买香烟必须18岁，明年要19岁，然后到2024年要20岁这样。

Personally I think this raises the issue of what are the government going to do when the taxes for cigarettes goes? Or what about the people who sell fake cigarettes? Or what about the people who go abroad for cheaper cigs and come back to sell their surplus?

在我看来，我认为这引发了一个问题：当香烟税取消了，政府要怎么办？或者那些卖假烟的人？还有那些出国买便宜香烟，然后拿回来卖的人呢？

What do you think?

大家怎么看？

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Harrry-Otter
I’d look forward to being in my 60s and seeing a gang of people in their 50s hanging around outside the corner shop asking if I can go in and buy them 20 B&H silver.

我期待着在我60多岁的时候，看到一群50多岁的人在街角的商店外徘徊，问我能不能进去帮他们买包烟。
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ughiwokeup
yeah mate im 60 just forgot my ID at home

好的兄弟，我60了，然而我身份证忘家里了

AllRedLine
Sorry mate. No ID, no service. We're a 'Challenge 75' store.

抱歉老兄，没有身份证就没法买东西。我们是“挑战75”商店

IpromithiusI
Smoking costs the economy more than the tax brings in. £17bn in lost productivity and healthcare vs £10bn raise in tax.

吸烟对经济的影响大于税收。生产力和医疗费用损失170亿英镑，而税收100亿英镑。

noseysheep
Alcohol probably costs us even more, why aren't we getting rid of that then?

酒可能会让我们损失更多，我们为什么不戒掉它呢？

helic0n3
I think there is more of a valid social argument for alcohol, it can be enjoyed in modesty and for its taste. Also it simply isn't ever going to happen, it can only be contained. Do the raise the age every year for cigarettes and it will be gone, fairly simply. Not even remotely workable for alcohol.

我认为对于酒，社会上有更多合理的观点证明它可以被适度地享用和品尝。而且它也无法被消灭掉，只能被控制。如果每年都提高吸烟年龄，它就会消灭掉，很简单。这对酒来说根本行不通。

Wizzpig25
Technically you could bring in the same policy for alcohol, but there is no societal pressure to do that. Smoking creates second hand smoke, so not only the smoker is affected by it. Alcohol itself only affects the consumer of it (though behavioural impacts of the inebriated can impact others).

严格来说，你可以对酒采取同样的政策，不过是没有这样的社会压力罢了。吸烟会产生二手烟，所以不仅仅是吸烟者会受到影响。酒只影响喝酒的人（尽管醉酒者的行为影响可能会影响其他人）。
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InconsistentEffort20
Smokers make the best anti-smoke campaigners but the truth is that 90% of them would be far less against it if the taxes didn't make it extremely expensive and the laws / social rules didn't make it extremely inconvenient.
But literally no one would want to be forced through nicotine withdrawal and no one at all wants a habit they are stuck with to become ever more expensive, inconvenient or socially unacceptable.
Vaping is akin to drinking a special kind of alcohol that doesn't wreck your liver and can only get you "very drunk" instead of "black out drunk". The opposition to it is baffling unless people are getting off on tutting at others and controlling others.

烟民是最好的反烟运动者，但事实是，如果税收不让烟变贵，法律/社会规则不让吸烟变得麻烦，那么90%的烟民也不会那么反对它。
然而实际上，没有人希望被迫戒烟，也没有人希望他们所坚持的习惯变得越来越昂贵、不方便或不被社会所接受。
吸电子烟类似于喝一种特殊的酒，不会损害你的肝脏，只会让你有醉感，而不会“酩酊大醉”。反对电子烟实在让人困惑，除非人们对控制他人感到兴奋。

joshpriebe1234
Well said, and I want the vaping version of alcohol

说得好，我想要电子烟版的酒。

FishUK_Harp
My opposition to vaping is to vape users. More specifically, the inconsiderate ones who think all social norms regarding smoking don't apply to them (e.g. near others, in confined spaces, near people eating), and especially those who use extemely pungent liquid.

我反对吸电子烟是因为吸烟者。更具体地说，是那些粗鲁的、认为所有关于吸烟的社会规范都不适用于他们的人（比如在别人旁边、在密闭空间、在吃东西的人旁边），尤其是那些使用刺激性烟油的人。

TheLAriver
Well yeah, those social norms don't apply to vaping because of how it's different from smoking. There's no secondhand vapor danger. Your complaint might as well be about people wearing perfume. The social norms for smoking that you reference are all about the danger of secondhand smoke. None of them are about the smell.

是的，这些社会规范不适用于电子烟，因为它与吸烟有很大的不同。它没有二手烟的危险。你的抱怨也可以用于喷香水的人。你提到吸烟的社会规范都是关于二手烟危险的。这些规范与味道无关。

TastyTaco217
Except nicotine is one of the least harmful compounds found in cigarettes, despite being the main driver behind addictive behaviour.
Yes it acts as a stimulant and chronic use contributes to increased blood pressure and elevated resting heart rate, but compared to the other compounds it barely compares, mainly because it ISNT carcinogenic.
Vaping has been found to be magnitudes safer than smoking even if long-term studies are few and far between due to the recency in the cultural shift away from smoking towards vaping.
A society of vapers would be a much healthier society than a society of smokers, end of.

尼古丁是香烟中危害性最小的化合物之一，尽管它是导致上瘾行为的主要因素。
是的，它是一种兴奋剂，长期使用会导致血压升高和静息心率升高，但与其他化合物相比，它又微不足道了，主要是因为它不致癌。
人们发现吸电子烟比吸烟要安全很多，尽管从吸烟到吸电子烟的文化转变是新近发生的，所以关于吸电子烟的长期研究很少。
电子烟社会比吸烟社会更健康。

Stlakes
As a smoker, honestly there are some times when I do really enjoy a cigarette, like after a good meal, or with a coffee first thing in the morning.
That being said, all of the things I enjoy about smoking could be achieved by just having 5 minutes to myself in the fresh air every couple of hours, and I absolutely wish I'd never started smoking to begin with.
It costs me about £22 a week, I used to be really fit and active in my late teens/early 20s, but now I get winded so much easier and it's had a massive impact on my health and fitness, and I'm only 27.

老实说，作为一个吸烟者，有些时候我真的很喜欢抽支烟，比如饱餐一顿之后，或者在早上喝咖啡的时候。
话虽如此，享受吸烟的所有事情都可以通过在新鲜空气中呆5分钟来实现，而且我非常希望我从一开始就没有吸烟。
吸烟每周要花我22英镑，我在20岁左右的时候非常健康，但我现在就很容易发虚，这对我的健康和健身产生了巨大影响，而我只有27岁。

Just-a-Guy87
You couldn’t do the same with alcohol at all! Do you realise how easy it is to brew your own beer, cider is even easier, you can even make your own spirits with the right kit (tad bit more dangerous though). Look at the prohibition era in America, totally didn’t work. Tobacco isn’t easy to grow in this country and processing it after isn’t easy either.

你根本不能将吸烟的规范用于酒。你知道自己酿造啤酒有多容易吗？苹果酒更容易，你甚至可以用合适的工具酿造烈酒（尽管有点危险）。看看美国的禁酒令时代，完全无效。而烟草在这个国家不容易种植，之后的加工也不容易。