【龙腾网】2020年美国宽带速度提升了90%
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US Broadband Speeds Jumped 90% In 2020. But No, It Had Nothing To Do With Net Neutrality.
2020年美国宽带速度提升了90%。但事实并非如此，这与网络中立性毫无关系。（译注：网络中立性是指互联网服务提供商和政府应当平等处理所有数据，这一概念出现在2015年。）
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The fact that faster speeds WERE available, but folks chose not to utilize them, speaks volumes about the crying about bandwidth we've been hearing for years, and is in fact an entirely different argument than we've heard up to this point ( folks couldn't get the speeds they wanted, not that they couldn't "afford" it ). Perhaps the problem is that, as in my first point, there simply wasn't a need? Maybe that's what the panic has been all about?
2）事实是，一直都有更快的网速，但人们自己选择不使用它，这充分说明了我们多年来一直听到的关于带宽的抱怨，与我们目前所听到的完全不同，实际上这是一个完全不同的争论(人们不能得到他们想要的速度，不是他们“负担不起”它)。也许这才是问题，就像我的第一个观点一样，更快的网速根本就没有必要？也许这才是人们恐慌的原因？
Re: A few points
Stop.Don't pretend the digital divide is between those that can quickly upload 4K videos to YouTube and this stuck with 1080P - if that's the digital divide, we have no digital divide.I'm so tired of the digital divide goalposts changing - remember when the issue was access to the dial-up internet? Then it was DSL Internet, then it was high-speed broadband, and now the divide is defined by the ability of a social media influencer wanna-be to upload their high-def content quickly?
闭嘴。
不要假装那些能快速将4K视频上传到YouTube，而1080P会被卡住的用户之间，存在数字鸿沟。
如果这就是数字鸿沟，我们就从来不存在数字鸿沟。
我已经厌倦了数字鸿沟的时代改变。还记得最初的接入拨号互联网吗？然后是DSL互联网，然后是高速宽带，现在的划分则是由社交媒体使用者快速上传高清内容的能力决定。
Re: A few points
Do you really not see a divide as long as someone has DSL now?
I doubt one could even attend school now in that situation (now as in remote). Having internet in a computer vs a phone is a big deal too.
你真的认为只要用DSL，就不会有界限吗？
我怀疑在那种情况下(如同在偏远地区)，人们是否还能上学？在电脑和手机之间使用互联网，也是一个大问题。
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Phil Farmer should sign up for Starlix.
菲尔应该注册Starlix。
Re: A few points
Speed increases without ISP plant improvements proves the issue wasn't ISP investment, it was customer reluctance that held back network speeds.
网速增加了，而ISP工厂没有改进，证明问题不是ISP导致的，是客户不愿意购买高速网络服务阻碍了网速。
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I've heard this argument before and it may seem sound with how Internet works currently.
我以前听过类似的争论，这似乎与现在的互联网运作方式同理。
Net neutrality (Score:3)
by backslashdot ( 95548 ) on Thursday December 03, 2020 @07:29PM (#60792048)
If the market should decide, why does Trump get mad when twitter puts a notice alongside his tweets?
如果应该让市场做决定，那为什么当twitter在特朗普的推文旁边放一个通知时，特朗普会生气？
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You consider it "free market" to allow companies to take advantage of protections of one nation, then bypass all their regulations and laws by offshoring the labor off to another country where they can pollute and use near-slave labor, then siphoning profits off to another foreign entity to avoid paying for any of the protections they're receiving?If it were truly free market, these types of companies would get no protections at all.
允许公司利用一个国家的保护，然后绕过所有的法律法规通过外包劳动力去另一个国家，在那里他们可以随便污染，和使用near-slave劳动，然后到另一个外国实体中抽取利润，来逃避税款，你认为它是“自由市场”？如果是真正的自由市场，这些类型的公司将得不到任何保护。
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--- That's impossible, it means you will have to allow spam, trolls, and offtopic discussions. --- Very very few sites will take on that level of responsibility.So are you against or in favor of free market capitalism?
这是不可能的，这意味着你将不得不允许垃圾邮件、喷子和离题的讨论存在，很少有网站会承担这样的责任。所以，你是反对，还是赞成自由市场资本主义呢？
Re: Net neutrality (Score:5, Insightful)
by Anubis IV ( 1279820 ) on Thursday December 03, 2020 @08:38PM (#60792194)
This “everything or nothing” notion is a false dichotomy that makes no sense and has no basis in law or fact.
For instance, nearly every business allows people on their property, yet almost none of them are legally bound in the way you suggest. Businesses can and do enforce rules of their own choosing, and virtually always have in modern society. Restaurants will kick out patrons that are being extremely obnoxious to others, even if they haven’t crossed the line into anything illegal. Stores routinely say “no shirt, no shoes, no service”, even though neither are legally required in public. Opening a business to the public does not mean giving up your rights, and that’s only more true when you’re talking about private property owned by real people.
这个“拥有一切，或者一无所有”的概念是一个错误的二分法，没有任何意义，也没有法律或事实的基础。
例如，几乎所有的企业都允许人们进入他们的地盘，但几乎没有一家企业会像你建议的那样受到法律约束。
企业可以确实执行它们自己选择的规则，在现代社会中这条规则几乎一直都在进行。
餐馆会把那些让别人非常讨厌的顾客踢出去，即使他们没有做任何违法的事情。
商店通常会说“不穿衬衫，不穿鞋子，不提供服务”，尽管这两项规定在公共场合都是合法的。
向公众敞开地盘并不意味着放弃你的权利，尤其是当你谈论的是一个人拥有的私有财产时，这一点就更正确了。
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I think you are confused all of those are examples of business 'taking responsibility' for the accounts of people on their property. The responsible action they take is to give others the boot who won't follow their rules.If I get hurt or sick in your restaurant because you permit other patrons to engage in unhygienic behavior, you bet I could sue you and hold you responsible for their actions. Why do think congress had a debate about covid-19 liability protections?
我认为你会感到困惑，你说的这些都是企业“承担责任”的例子，人们的帐户在他们的财产（网站）之中。他们所采取的最负责任的行为，就是把那些不遵守他们规则的人踢出去。
如果因为你允许其他顾客做出不卫生的行为，导致我在你的餐厅受伤或生病，我可以起诉你，让你为他们的行为负责。
为什么国会要讨论covid的责任保障？
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That's not applicable to the internet .. internet domains are not of finite quanity like land, anyone can have a website. It's not up to anybody to market your site for you extra just because twitter exists.
这在互联网上是不适用的，互联网域不像土地一样是有限的，每个人都可以拥有一个网站。但因为twitter的存在，没有人可以为你的网站做推广营销。
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Uh. No, if curating one message requires curating and being responsible for all messages, that opens the door to massive fines and lawsuits for every time you make a mistake or are perceived to make a mistake.Twitter gives a platform for people who want to speak. It's allowed to fact-check messages if it wants; but if somebody else wrote the message, then responsibility for the message belongs to the poster, not the platform.Twitter started putting up notices on the president's tweets because they were tryi
呃，如果管理一条信息需要承担责任，那么每当你犯了错误或者被认为犯了错误，就会面临巨额罚款和诉讼。Twitter为那些想要发言的人提供了一个平台。如果它想的话，它可以对信息进行事实核查。但是如果是别人写的，那么这条信息的责任就属于发布者，而不是平台。Twitter在总统的推特上张贴公告，因为那些信息是假的
Re: Net neutrality
If Twitter (for example) chooses to review/approve what posted on its site - that's fine - but they give up any protections for posted content. They have Section 230 protections because they said they would never review/approve content, and with that promise they were absolved of responsibility.Essentially, Twitter is choosing to edit the content of its website, and that exposes them to liability for anything that's posted.
推特(举例子)选择审查/批准在其网站上发布的内容——这没关系——但他们放弃了对发布内容的保障条款。
推特自己受到230条款的保护，因为他们说他们永远不会审查/批准内容，有了这个承诺，他们就免除了责任。
而从本质上说，推特是在选择编辑其网站的内容，这让他们对发布的每一条内容都要承担责任。
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You really should actually read section 230 instead of listening to politicians. Here is a copy, https://www.law.cornell.edu/us... [cornell.edu] it is actually short and readable, pay attention to the civil liability part. The only obligation I see is informing users that parental control protections are commercially available if someone is worried about what their kids might read/see on a platform, as well as the usual criminal and IP law stuff.
Remember, if a politician says something, expect that it is the opposite of
你真的应该读读230条款，而不是听政客们说的话。以下是链接……
内容短小易读，注意民事责任部分。我所看到的推特的唯一义务就是告诉用户，如果有人担心他们的孩子可能会在平台上看到犯罪和知识产权法之类的东西，那么家长控制保护在商业上是可行的。
记住，如果一个政客说了什么，你应该期待他说的是相反的话
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Trump has never believed in free markets.He is a populist, not a free-market libertarian.
特朗普从来不相信自由市场。他是民粹主义者，而不是支持自由市场的自由主义者。
the rent is too damn high (Score:3)
by awwshit ( 6214476 ) on Thursday December 03, 2020 @07:35PM (#60792052)
The rent is too damn high.
租金他妈的太贵了。
stupid ISP 'plans' (Score:2)
I had been month-to-month with my ISP for a while, the speed was fine, enough. Then my kids all had to be in different video conferences at the same time, plus working from home. I was able to get on a new month-to-month plan for the same price that offered 4x the bandwidth. My bandwidth went up more than 90%, for the same price. Those bastards were getting over on me for a while, couldn't be bothered to let me know there was a better offer now.
原本我已经使用我的ISP一段时间了，速度很好，足够了。然后，现在我的孩子们不得不同时参加不同的网课视频，再加上我自己在家工作，我需要更好的网速。
我竟然能够用同样的价格，按月购买一个提供4倍带宽的新套餐，让我的带宽增加了90%以上。但那些混蛋已经把我忘了，他们不想让我知道现在有更好的选择。
Re: stupid ISP 'plans' (Score:4, Informative)
by NagrothAgain ( 4130865 ) on Thursday December 03, 2020 @08:04PM (#60792124)
What the hell are they using? Between nonstop Webex/Zoom/etc. meetings for work, three kids with around 4 hours of video meetings each, the wife streaming HD shows literally 20 hours a day, and the kids streaming around 12 extra hours daily, I'm only averaging about 250gigs a month over my pre covid usage.
他们到底在用什么套餐？
我要在Webex/Zoom/等等软件之间不断切换，参加工作会议，三个孩子每人有大约4小时的视频会议，妻子每天流媒体20小时的高清节目，孩子们加一起每天大约12个小时，在前covid时期，我平均每月只有250g。
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stupid ISP 'plans'
That seems super low.
I did 450 last month, and I expect it to go up again (I got a Stadia).
The 1.2TB cap they're imposing is going to cause me to need to throttle some video if other streaming services start offering 4K, and more content is produced in it.
It's only about 2 hours/day of streaming 4k, which isn't a lot IMO (that's music videos in the background, random YouTube podcasts, a little intentional TV, background n
愚蠢的ISP的计划
这似乎太低了。
我上个月用了450，我希望它再次上升(我得到了Stadia)。
如果其他流媒体服务开始提供4K，出现更多的4K制作内容，那么他们强加的1.2TB的流量限制，会导致我需要限制一些视频。
每天只有大约2小时的4k内容，这在我看来不算多(背景音乐视频，随机的YouTube播客，一点有意的电视等等
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New games are coming in at 120 GB a pop now. The new consoles are starting to deprecate discs in favor of downloads, so it's not necessarily just PC games anymore. If you've got multiple kids, or they want multiple games, that adds up quick.
现在新游戏动则120gb，新的游戏机也开始弃用光盘，转而支持下载，因此将不再仅仅是PC游戏。如果你有多个孩子，或者他们想要多个游戏，那就流量消耗会很快增加。
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Isn't internet one of those things that only really matters during peak usage?
Like if I'm watching something on a Sunday afternoon does it really cost something?
Sure, you have a point that between 7 and 11 PM (prime time) it may have an impact, and I'd be totally content if only those hours applied to the cap (even if it was much lower), but the cost to Comcast, or my neighbor, of me streaming the rest of the time is effectively zero.
Comcast's internet earnings didn't crater with COVID-19, so I'm very skept
互联网的网速难道不是只有在高峰时段才真正重要的东西吗?
比如，如果我在周日下午看电视，会花很多钱吗?
当然，在晚上7点到11点(黄金时间)这段时间可能会产生影响，如果只有这段时间存在适用上限，我就完全满足了(即使这个上限要低得多)。
康卡斯特的互联网收入并没有因为COVID-19而崩溃，所以我很……
Re: stupid ISP 'plans'
You are streaming 40 Gigabytes/day? WTF, turn off your 4K streams when you leave the room or sleep.
你们消耗的流量是40g 吗？你他妈在干什么？在你离开房间或睡觉时，关掉你的4K电视！
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How many people have the option for a higher speed for a reasonable price? I'm in Canada, outskirts of town and pay cdn$80 a month for a connection that in the evenings won't stream 480 video.
有多少人可以选择用最合理的价格享受最高的速度？我住在加拿大，每月要支付给cdn 80美元，但在晚上甚至无法播放480P视频！
"willing to pay more money" (Score:2)
When people return to work and choose take-away coffee, hot lunch and bus-fare over 'mid-level' internet service, will everybody shout "yay, capitalism" again?
当人们回到工作岗位，选择了外卖咖啡、热腾腾的午餐和公交车费，而不是“中等”互联网服务时，大家会再次高呼“耶，资本主义”吗？
