【中英双字】牙牙&V Magazine采访2:bad guy|爱哭鬼的成长|角色与自我

R:我晓得故事中有很多“好人”，但除去大部分演员外，剩下的或多或少就都是反派了。为什么你的故事中需要这么多“坏人”呢？

M:Yes. So, really, the best way to describe it is that it was more about showing how positioning works the way it does. It’s like a hand-me-down thing. It starts with the principal, right? But then it goes to the staff, and then it goes to the nurses, and it just keeps going and going until finally the students become infected with this positioning. 

昂，其实吧对此最好的诠释就是，它更多地展示了人物定位，人物网的意义。这就像是一种层层递进的关系。最开始先是贪婪的校长出现，对吧?而这种负能量逐渐传递到所有角色上，接着是邪恶的护士，后来呢这种负能量一直继续一直继续，直到学生也被它影响变成了坏人。

M:And then we have characters like Kelly or any of the bullies, like any of those characters who are acting out with that kind of energy are just showing how their environment is shaping them. So, it’s less about them being bad guys. It’s more about the system that is creating that energy.

然后我们就有了像Kelly这样的角色和以及一系列的霸凌事件，那些被负能量影响而做着霸凌举措的角色，其实影射出了环境是如何塑造性格der。所以不只是在讨论反派角色了。更多的是创造负能量的这种体系。

R:My assumption was that you placed it in a school because it works with the characters, but also because that’s supposed to be where you’re getting educated on the world so it seemed like a fitting place for all of that to be going down.

我的假设是:你把这种制度体系设定在学校这样一个环境里，是因为体系与人物角色息息相关，也是因为学校是你在这个世界上你受教育的场所，而它也恰好是所有这些故事和影射意义发可以发生的地方。

M:Yeah, for sure. I definitely picked school because I really wanted to show the parallel between school and life and how school is really just a condensed version of life, you know? 

昂对。我选择以学校为故事背景是因为我非常想展现学校与生活间的相似性，以及学校就是浓缩版的生活，you know?

M:We meet a lot of people and personalities that we encounter later on in our adult life and we kind of have to go through the same cycle just to show we’ve learned the lesson, you know what I mean? So, it’s kind of that mentality as well. It was interesting because everyone has such a different school experience. 

我们成年后会遇到很多的人和性格，在某种程度上，我们不得不经历同样的循环以此来展现我们吸收学习的经验和能力，you know?所以这也是一种心态。每个人都有一段完全不同的学校经历，这是非常有趣der~

M:My goal was really to make sure many different people would be able to resonate with the movie, or be able to resonate with one character. My biggest goal was just to expand Cry Baby’s world and make sure there were other characters that people can resonate with because everyone’s school experience is very, very different.

我的目标是让形形色色的人都能与这部电影产生共鸣，或者与其中的一位角色产生共情点。我的终极目标是延展爱哭鬼的世界并且确保人们也能与其他人物角色产生共鸣，毕竟每个人的学习经历都灰常灰常不同。



R:Do you think you’re ever going to try to expand her into adult life? Like is she ever going to be working out there as a lawyer?

你有没有想过把爱哭鬼的故事延伸到成人世界中嘞?比如说她会不会在成人世界里成为一名律师?

M:No, I already know my two next films and albums. I already have the next two planned because obviously I have to prepare this in order for the character to be able to evolve the right way or the way that I would like them to. 

不，我已经设想好我接下来的两张专辑和电影辽。我早早计划好接下来的两部专辑和电影才能让我笔下的角色以我的意愿，进一步提升自己的精神和灵魂。

M:But, basically, it’s hard to say much without giving it away, but no, it doesn’t go into her adult life. She grows and transforms in a different way than you would like.

 It’s not just her going into her adult life, it’s also her soul transforming. That’s the only thing I will say because I don’t want to give away too much because it would be a major spoiler.

但是，基本来说，因为要保留日后剧本的神秘感我不能把所有细节都告诉你，但大家只需要晓得爱哭鬼是绝对不会成年der。她会以不同于常人的方式蜕化成长。不是她的躯壳肉身变为成人，而是她的灵魂发生升华与转变。那这些就是我能告诉你的la，因为这会是很重要的剧情，我可不能剧透太多w。

R:Do you ever tire of that character? Are you ever like, “Fuck all of this, I just want to do something totally different”? You’ve been so good at being really consistent, and it obviously works so well. I just wonder if  you ever have the desire to completely change things up. 

昂，那你有没有厌倦过"爱哭鬼"这个角色嘞？你有时候会不会这样想“让这些讨厌的框架都去死吧！老娘只想整点不一样的作品！”你至始至终都很好地延续着这个故事线，而且你也做的很棒。我只是很好奇你会不会想要彻底改变这些故事和人物。

M:Well, I think that the interesting part is that half of her story and what she deals with are elements that I don’t relate to and I am not connected to. But her styles and her hair obviously, I’ve had this hair since I was 16, this is the hair I want to die in. It’s never been a phase for me, like this is who I am. 

嗯哼，我jio得很有趣的一部分是爱哭鬼故事的一半是与我没有关联的元素。但是爱哭鬼的风格和发型很明显与我有关，我16岁der时候染了这种发型，而且我觉着自己会至死不渝地一直保持这样的阴阳头。这种发色的形式，并不只是我人生中某个心血来潮的阶段，而是我无法割舍的一部分~

M:My whole life is about contracting polar opposites and dichotomy and duality. I love that idea of the contrast between light and dark; some of my art kind of reflects that. So, yeah, that’s a big part of it.

我的整个人生都围绕着对立性，两级性和双重性。我敲爱将光与影相对比的创意；我的一些艺术就反映了这一点。所以说，这是非常重要的一部分。

M:Her story is different than mine, but a lot of her personality traits and her interests are mine. I’m very sensitive and the whole Cry Baby thing was a real thing where I was always the one crying or people were like, “There she goes. She’s crying again,” and it always just made me feel like something was wrong with me.

爱哭鬼的故事与我截然不同，但她的许多性格特征和兴趣爱好都是我的一部分。我非常der敏感，而爱哭鬼的专辑故事，正是我总是哭泣并被人嘲笑“哈哈又来了，她又要开始哭了”的经历的剪影，而这种不愉快的经历总让我疑惑自己是不是有问题。

M:It’s good to have emotional intelligence and to strengthen your depths of emotion because a lot of people are taught to just block it off.

拥有情绪的智慧并加强情感的深度是非常棒der事~因为很多人都被教导要封闭自我。

R:I think it’s a good character trait because if you’re sensitive yourself, you’re also really sensitive to others and just generally less of an asshole. 

我认为这是很棒的个性，因为倘若你待自己敏感多情，那么你也会对他人温和，而且总的来说就不会像个混蛋。

M:Absolutely, it’s all that empathy really.

是的呀，这其实就是同理心♡