【龙腾网】美国大学舞弊丑闻: 招生系统能被修复吗？（上）
College cheating scandal: Can system be fixed?
美国大学舞弊丑闻: 招生系统能被修复吗？
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Wonderboy
This is not white privilege, it is wealthprivilege. I scored the highest SAT in my High school (over 1000 students) butbecause I'm asian I only got partial academic scholarships offered from myfirst choice schools. (I was offered full scholarships from smaller schools). Iwent to a Division one school (Clemson University) where I met students on fullscholarship with SAT scores over 400 points lower than mine because they wereblack. Their scores were only slightly above average among all high schoolers,and simply average at Clemson among the general student body. What is thisprivilege everyone is talking about? The story ends well. I worked hard, got aseries of great jobs and life has turned out great. You don't need privilege tomake a good life for yourself. There will always be people who get an easierpath. Don't let it get you down. Make your own "best life".
这不是白人的特权，而是财富的特权， 我在高中的 SAT 成绩是最高的(超过1000名学生) ，但是因为我是亚洲人，我只能从我的第一志愿学校得到部分奖学金， (在其它一些小学校我能得到全额奖学金)， 最后我选择拿部分奖学金去了排名靠前的克莱姆森大学。在那里我遇到了拿全额奖学金的学生，但他们的 SAT 成绩比我低400分，因为他们都是黑人， 在所有的高中生中，他们的分数仅略高于平均水平，而在克莱姆森大学的普通学生中，他们的分数仅仅是平均水平，每个人都在谈论这种特权是什么？ 这个故事结局不错，我努力工作，得到了一系列很棒的工作，生活也变得很美好， 你不需要靠特权来为自己创造美好的生活， 总会有人走上更简单的道路，不要因此而沮丧， 去创造属于自己的"最好的生活"吧。
david d
Wealthy people have been donating largeamounts of money for decades to get their kids into good colleges there arebuildings named after them, this is not new.
有钱人几十年来一直捐赠大量的钱让他们的孩子进入好的大学，有些建筑是以他们的名字命名的，这并不是什么新鲜事。
Jeff2
The college admissions system is hopelesslyand irrevocably broken in the same sense that Congress and the executive branchand the judicial branch are broken. It takes their consent to fix it, and theywill refuse to fix it, since they benefit from it being broken.
就像国会、行政部门和司法部门分崩离析一样，大学招生制度已经无可救药、无可挽回地崩溃了，修复它需要那些人的同意，而他们会拒绝修复，因为他们能从中获益。
Gathroan
I have no sympathy for these folks, whydoes everyone believe college is the only way to go? One of my boys went tocollege and got his masters; for years I told him go down to any union hall andget an apprenticeship, after not finding a job he finally listened and is aplumber making more then me.
我对这些人没有任何同情心，为什么每个人都认为上大学是唯一的出路？ 我的一个儿子上了大学，拿到了硕士学位; 多年以来，我一直告诉他去找一个工会大厅做学徒，在找不到工作之后，他终于听进去了，做了一个水管工，现在挣得比我还多。
RICHARD
I don't think universities should letpeople in just because they are good at a sport. They are supposed to beeducational establishments, so entry should be based on academic potential. Idoubt that will change, since college sports are big business, but at least weshould recognize the consequences of our sports fanaticism.
我认为大学不应该仅仅因为人们擅长某项运动就让他们进入， 他们应该是教育高校，所以进入应该基于学术潜力， 我怀疑这种情况不会改变，因为大学体育是一项大生意，但至少我们应该认识到体育狂热的后果。
Papa
One student, a wealthy individual namedThornton Mellon allegedly paid to get into college. I remember him asking oneof the teachers out and she declined saying she had class. He said what abouttomorrow and she said no I have class tomorrow also. Mellon then replied, letme know when you have no class and we will go out.
一个名叫桑顿 •梅隆的有钱学生据称花钱上了大学， 我记得他想约一个老师出去，她拒绝了，说她有课，然后他说那明天怎么样，她说不，我明天也有课， 梅隆接着回答说: 什么时候你没课的话，告诉我一声，我们就出去。（那家伙当时就是这么嚣张。）
Allen
Colleges have been doing this for years.Nothing is going to change, If you got the money, you can buy your way in.
大学已经这样做很多年了， 什么都不会改变，如果你有钱，你就可以自己买进去。
AnonymousTroll
Are we going to talk about the fact thatlike half of high school students are now diagnosed with ADD and then go onAdderal so they can get an advantage?
我们是不是要讨论这样一个事实，那就是现在有一半的高中生都声称被诊断为注意力缺乏症，然后在服用阿德拉药物，这样他们就可以作为残疾考生获得升学优势？
David #1
Guess whose gonna be made an example of? Ifthere were no famous people involved, nothing would have come of it
猜猜谁会被杀一儆百？ 如果没有名人参与，什么调查也不会发生
JC45055 OTR Driver
Can college admissions be fixed? Sure theycan. The question is how do you control the flow of money that they require toget admitted into a big name college? Answer is you can't. College's set thestandards based on their professor's salaries and the type of education theyteach to the student body. Plus other things and what you have is the need formore money and more money and whoever comes up with it gets in. You might be a"Genius" and if you're broke you don't get in. It's just that way.Money talks and you know the rest...
大学录取系统可以修复吗？当然可以， 问题是你如何控制他们进入著名大学所进行的资金交易？ 答案是你不能。 大学根据他们教授的薪水和他们教给学生的教育类型来制定收费标准， 加上其他的东西，你所需要的是更多的更多的钱，能拿出来钱的都能进去，你可能是个"天才"，但如果你没钱，你就进不去，就是这样， 有钱能使鬼推磨，其他的你都知道...
Derek Zoolander
The system needs third party admissionscommittees and anonymous applications without names, genders, or races. Also,student athletes are chosen for teams AFTER they earn admission.
这个系统需要第三方招生委员会和没有姓名、性别或种族的匿名申请， 同时，学生运动员在获得入学许可后需要被选入队伍才行。
NitaM
"The College Board" needsoversight and possibly needs to be dismantled as well.
"大学理事会"需要监督，也可能需要解散。
Mickey Moose
I bet they haven’t even scratched thesurface yet. There was a lot that came out in a short time. I bet there are alot of nervous people out there hoping they don’t get caught now that this hasbeen exposed.
我敢打赌，这些甚至还没有触及表面， 在很短的时间里，已经有很多事情发生了，有很多希望他们不会被抓到的人在紧张，因为很多已经暴露了。
david d
They will never stop giving out sportsscholarships because the sports programs make to much money for the schools.
他们永远不会停止发放体育奖学金，因为体育项目为高校赚了很多钱。
linda
What the legitimate student and theirparents go through to wait for the college admins reply to their entry requestis grueling yet we are 'brought up' to believe that these institutions (&on the outside corporations) are on the 'up and up'. An 18 year old who did allthe right things to get into college got screwed by these people and more likethem in colleges throughout the U.S. I hope they all win on their lawsuitsagainst this - without a fair shake in these areas the good students entirelife is impacted.
大学管理员处理合法学生的入学申请时，学生和他们的父母经历的等待令人精疲力尽，然而我们从小就被教育要相信这些高校(以及外面的公司)正在"不断改进"， 一个18岁的孩子为了进入大学做了所有正确的事情，却被这些人把全美的大学搞得一团糟，我希望这些人都能被诉讼——如果在这些领域没有公平的待遇，好学生的整个人生都会受到影响。
John
Colleges are failing badly because they nolonger teach students how to think, they are teaching what to think. It is notworth the out of this world costs to go to the "big" named schoolsany more......if it ever was!
大学之所以失败，是因为它们不再授人以渔，而是直接授人以鱼， 再也不值得花这么多钱去那些"著名"的高校了... 如果曾经是的话！
130688
Not surprised it's been going on since ivyleagues been around.Can anyone honestly say all the past presidents childrenwere all smart enough to get into these institutions.I mean the odds are 5%acceptance rate yet they are 100% accepted.At the same time that's what makesthese schools sought after.I have 2 sons and I can admit it hurt me when one ofthem didn't get accepted to his top choice schools.I wish I had a connection atthat time(glad I didn't now) .He ended up going to a state school where heexcelled and eventually made it to his dream school for graduate school.Alsoyou can't blame schools for bad apple staff.Except maybe Usc who has a historywith this kind of stuff.
这种情况自常春藤联盟成立以来就一直存在，这并不奇怪，有人能诚实地说，所有前任校长的孩子都足够聪明，能够进入这些高校吗? 我的意思是，录取率只有5% ，但他们却100% 被录取， 都能进入一所公立高校，在那里表现出色，并最终进入他们梦寐以求的研究生高校。
Ralph
I guess Felicity Huffman may not beattending the Women's March this year?
我想菲丽西提•霍夫曼可能不会再参加今年的妇女大游行了吧？
Tricky Dick
Sorry but I don’t get the fingers pointingat these rich people, it’s what they do. They’ve been doing it for years. Butwhy aren’t these universities being held accountable? How is this any differentthan large corporations “donating” money to politicians so they vote the waythey want them to? Why isn’t the FBI doing anything about that.
对不起，但是我不想把矛头指向这些有钱人，他们就是这么做的，已经做了很多年了，但是为什么这些大学没有被追究责任呢？ 这和大公司"捐"钱给政客，让他们按照自己的意愿投票有什么区别吗？为什么联邦调查局不做点什么。
interesting
really 10 to 20 years. I get that it is notright, but we should be putting things like this in to a little betterperspective. if on 50...FIFTY people have been arrested, are we really spendinggovernment money on this... how many students are we talking about here... 200300... out of the MILLIONS of kids in colleges.... .02%. costing tax payers howmany millions in the investigation... Just one other point of view.
10到20年， 我知道这是不对的，但是我们应该从一个更好的角度来看待这个问题，如果只有五十人被捕，我们真的要把政府的钱花在这上面吗... 我想谈论的是有多少学生... 200，300... 在数百万大学生中... . 比例太低了， 但是这些调查需要花费纳税人多少个百万呢... 只是另一个角度的观点。
John
Of course it can be fixed. Rich kids haveno need to go to college. Fixed.
当然可以修复， 有钱的孩子不需要上大学，解决了。
Justjan
These parents have hurt their children incountless ways! Wasn't worth it!!
这些父母用无数种方式伤害了他们的孩子！ 不值得！
Tom
Every college has this issue.
每所大学都有这个问题。
NYC
Virtually all the parents caught up in thescandal are high-octane, uber-ambitious, over-achievers. Instilling those samues into their children--hard work and perseverance--would've cost them muchless money, legal fees, and possible jail time. And the benefits to theirchildren would've been priceless.
实际上，所有卷入这场丑闻的父母都是精力充沛、雄心勃勃、事业有成的人， 将同样的价值观灌输给他们的孩子---- 努力工作和坚持不懈---- 会让他们花费更少的金钱、律师费和可能的牢狱之灾，而且这对他们孩子的好处是无价的。
