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、23.3、17.1)CH(81.6、55.2、45.6)CBR都是0.9左右,由于异龙测量数据太多这里就用CBR平均值0.772,很明显相对于棘龙异有着更适合撕咬的牙齿,而且要知道棘龙只测了三颗牙CH最高的才88mm,CBR平均值很可能会更高\n异龙的优势"},{"attributes":{"header":1},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":"\n优势一:活动范围更大的前肢这里引用一下Matt南方猎龙论文里的表\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/c2d1d80cf954d81a6da5ad956edb4e26d62627f5.jpg","width":1080,"height":1086,"size":340217,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"这里可以看出异特龙的ROM(活动范围)再加上更锋利的指爪(可见David论文的表,就在上文)棘龙的前肢化石不完整没有论文详细计算过ROM,我查到的只有RusseII的老文和David的论文里有描述肱骨\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/da88a952ffb1b078e86489bfadbd445ea3a41144.jpg","width":908,"height":918,"size":278099,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"\n优势二:异龙的口裂更大,更大的撕咬面积,在Bakker等人在异龙头部,在分析了剑齿虎等外枕骨向下移动,且远低于枕髁的生物,并且通过对比方骨(对象为角鼻龙),异龙明显更适合大口裂,并通过重建颈部肌肉与颌内收肌等\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/f4a5c46d654bbc953b27e0c7aff206cf33985d0e.jpg","width":959,"height":612,"size":240798,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/26572953e127db71660610f055f277b2da3e1f6b.jpg","width":838,"height":1061,"size":281208,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"而棘龙则正好相反在Hendrickx的一篇对棘龙方骨进行分类骨学论文中则怡好证明了棘龙的方骨并不支持较大的口裂,最大角度可能只有45度\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/7494679ce0c77e557d59c43508f51f770fa2bb5c.jpg","width":898,"height":357,"size":111342,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/f91fd1a72937082dec7ffd65c6ffc939856d5ea3.jpg","width":868,"height":833,"size":297105,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"不同两者都有灵活颈椎,这条算是平手 Eric等人针对于一只很出名的异特龙(MOR 693)SKL76cm 头宽21cm(被压扁的数据实宽25cm以上)进行CT重建颈椎和头部,用鸟类的结构模拟出异龙的呼吸道,运动范围如下图\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/13580ee7399c1c952c41d5b27c871301cddde912.jpg","width":996,"height":1235,"size":381556,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/db1131e22b85e43a3e3ca0be68b2f43c7e27abb2.jpg","width":942,"height":1088,"size":319754,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"而且693的颈部生物力学结果如下\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/7f748a07b8622047bc4550dd527ad6ce43136e19.jpg","width":1054,"height":309,"size":116011,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":" 重建肌肉的尺寸、基线比张力ST为55 N/cm2 MTCP 为头横棘肌;MTCR 为颈椎横突肌;MLCS 为头浅最长肌;MLCP为头深最长肌;MRCA 为头前直肌/腹直肌。\n\n那么棘龙的颈部呢?呢?虽然棘龙没有那么多技术支持,不过同样有论文描述其作用,Evrs等人认为棘龙颈椎的腹侧表面上具有与发达肌肉组织的褶皱,并且适用于颈部弯曲,这对于在水中捕鱼有好处,可以托着头向水下猛扑猎物,且柔软的颈椎能够让棘龙的脖子形“S”状如下图\n\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/2377404c681fa4436cb2042fe8f6951c89b79e11.jpg","width":980,"height":650,"size":165297,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"所以棘龙与异龙同样拥有灵活的颈椎。这点比平\n\n\n优势三:异龙的生命力非常顽强,不少异龙出土的时候基本上都是遍体鳞伤。比如刚才提到的大艾尔全身上下有19处骨折肋骨断了5根还有感染,最难受的还是脚上的病变\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/b0c3dfbd46369c882fe86a6f2c517bbeb74a2040.jpg","width":1188,"height":1188,"size":847240,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"因为骨折导致的病变也就是骨髓炎,甚至有可能是脚上的疾病导致它丧失了捕猎的能力,最终被活活饿死。\n 还有大艾尔二号,同样多处受伤 下处是他受伤的位置。\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/dbe05dada9ae8a84fddd68539c37c34ce2bb5ba3.jpg","width":1080,"height":391,"size":106776,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"左侧肋骨和前肢都受过伤还有坐骨。\n再说一个我们都知道的例子,恐龙星球中的异特龙的原型\n\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/c063480cb43843a81ce2ebb8819c0b51e5d3a4e8.jpg","width":1025,"height":841,"size":293663,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"异龙UMNH10781的第一节尾椎被剑龙的尾钉开了个洞,但这个伤口却愈合的痕迹,这说明异龙在这一击下活了下来,这再次说明了异龙顽强的生命力与莫里森组的残酷\n\n"},{"attributes":{"color":"#f85a54"},"insert":"顺便提醒一下那帮吹棘龙牙齿破防异龙的小鬼"},{"attributes":{"color":"#18191c"},"insert":"笑死了,你棘龙的牙有剑龙的尾钉厉害吗?"},{"insert":"\n\n"},{"attributes":{"color":"#18191c"},"insert":"优势四:有很多化石证据表明异龙可以并且有能力捕杀体型比自己乃至比棘龙大的多的猎物,也就是大型蜥脚类如下图"},{"insert":"\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/9337dbc8ec6d4bb7f8636c4c4b3342333a1bfd59.jpg","width":1006,"height":1800,"size":558795,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"迈摩尔采石场迷惑龙坐骨标本MWC4011,留下了来自异龙的咬痕,套用斯科特•哈特曼绘制的路氏迷惑龙CM3018,异龙AMNH680比例大至如下\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/5223531af0365ff97b7dc85a9468781dd4ad26e0.jpg","width":1396,"height":320,"size":147241,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"还有过超30吨的迷惑个体被啃过!\n\n在这一点上棘龙完全没有化石证据能够证明棘龙猎杀过或者有能力猎杀比自己体型更大的猎物(当然了,与棘龙的食性有关,想看棘龙食性的可以看看好友"},{"attributes":{"color":"#00aeec"},"insert":"棘龙93Ⅰ"},{"attributes":{"color":"#18191c"},"insert":"的专栏哦)"},{"insert":"\n\n"},{"attributes":{"color":"#f85a54"},"insert":"总结一下,棘龙的牙齿与爪子对异龙无法造成有效伤害,而异龙有着包括爪子、体型、生命力、咬合力、口裂、前肢活动等大量硬件优势、且有直接证据证明异龙有能力猎杀体型更大的猎物,而棘龙没有"},{"insert":"\n\n棘龙在水里战斗力如何"},{"attributes":{"header":2},"insert":"\n"},{"insert":"可能有不少人因为棘龙蝾螈尾认为棘龙水战能力很高,的确连Nizar2020年的论文里用水槽中的一个棘龙塑料尾部形状连接到机器人驱动轴上。参照尾部在机器人控制的游泳过程并比较尾部游泳性能的实验里,结果证明棘龙的尾部的推力是包括异龙在内常规兽脚类的数倍\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/d00ea0cff00902df60bb51e04b27a19d0d396394.jpg","width":957,"height":1065,"size":327780,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"那是否可以说明棘龙可以靠水性好的特点而击败异龙呢?很遗憾还是不能。\n\n 在2018年Hendrson等人为测试棘龙在水中的表现做一个生物力学建模下图\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/d67828b500cbbcf749348b4143ea4cbdf3acc2c1.jpg","width":1080,"height":1039,"size":337351,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"C为异龙,E为棘龙,深色的部分是肺\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/835b49a8b6a3529403d6b260fc9502a0a20ef831.jpg","width":1080,"height":518,"size":113875,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"得出的结论很惊人,因为肺部的排气导致棘龙无法下将整个身子没入水中,当然了!这个论文里本身也有不合理的地方论文里给棘龙的密度只有0.833而且异龙只有0.811\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/83cecebae9a48ba11376d6f3710ce0134fc6eb4e.jpg","width":1080,"height":513,"size":152655,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"密度严重过轻,关于密度的问题上文已经用VD法进行过说明了,在这里不再赘述,这里可能有人会说2018的时候还没有发现蝾螈尾,这个论文是过时的,好!下文将以21年David论文与22年Sereno论文为基础进行讲解\n\n首先棘龙本身就有诸多与水生不符的特点如下图的黑色箭头\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/b1a0ff52d7fa561efa3ef939de54b9c70d8576b9.jpg","width":1074,"height":792,"size":325138,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"不符合水生的大致特征大致为:A侧面压缩的头骨,B鼻孔位置,C颚部功能,D眼眶位置,E颈部硬度和姿势,F非流体动力学形状,G在水中的不稳定性,H亚鳗形运动,I纤细的神经棘,J尾部推进力,K尾部末端灵活性,L尾部灵活性,M后肢有些萎缩,N第一趾增大,O口部肥大,P肺部充气,Q前肢未缩小,R颈部肌肉松驰\n\n 也许棘龙尾巴推进效率比常规兽脚类高,但很可惜鳄鱼尾的效率是棘龙的1.5倍,尾巴等长的情况下棘龙要大的多,推进也更困难,\n\n而且棘龙在水中还会有大量的阻力(体型越大的棘龙阻力越大即在水中的速度越慢),前肢似乎没有减少,后肢显示出有限的减少,身体形状不是,尤其是背帆,即使完全没入水中也会产生巨大的压力阻力。这种阻力会极大地限制棘龙游泳时的加速度和最高速度。帆也可能从其后缘诱导水流,产生额外的阻力,此外,与更典型的D形布置相比,帆的“M”形布置在中部具有独特的凹口会产生更大的阻力。所以为了避免波浪阻力必须完全浸没超过3.5米(从背帆到水面)再加上棘龙本身的高度大概水深为6米,棘龙才会潜水(如下图)\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/430099563871c05270ec02141bb8dcaa7ba316a3.jpg","width":952,"height":521,"size":51104,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"当然了就算退一步说,它能够潜水巨大的背帆直接断送了偷袭的可能性 除非……\n\n\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/d38ae482dbbd0655ff8ff2334f1255d878539082.jpg","width":826,"height":240,"size":37727,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"\n拿robert的鲨雕配图乐一乐…\nNizar的棘龙尚不如能否水,反Sereno的棘龙肯定不行Sereno用CT扫描为棘龙重建了一个肌肉模型用现存爬行动物与鸟类重建肺、气囊、气管)如下\n\n\n"},{"attributes":{"class":"normal-img"},"insert":{"native-image":{"alt":"read-normal-img","url":"https://b1.sanwen.net/b_article/e04b3c4872a40ffd839298c3f12ceaa167a910d3.jpg","width":1052,"height":863,"size":254816,"status":"loaded"}}},{"insert":"为什么Sereno的棘龙无法潜水因为0.833的密度过轻远低于淡水的1与盐水1.08且Sereno棘龙相较于Nizar的棘龙c椎缩短了13%躯干缩小了6%肩胛骨缩小了15%肱骨缩小了18%掌骨缩小了11%指骨指爪缩小了7%这导致棘龙的重心往中心靠(图片红点)这也是为什么Sereno的棘龙是“涉禽”了\n\n参考文就懒得写了,因为实在是太多了…估计都能有1000多字了。本来不是为了科普的,单纯看不爽拿棘龙斗七斗八的小鬼的\n\n我知道写完这篇文章之后有些人说什么“只是和你们观点不同罢了”最好笑的是还说“什么要独立思考,不听大佬们的话”首先独立思考我完全认可,但自己思考的棘龙冲撞128吨的神论的人,我觉得还是听别人说的吧…自己涨点知识别一天到晚活在自己的梦里"},{"attributes":{"header":2},"insert":"\n"}]}
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