【龙腾网】古希腊文明和罗马文明谁更好？是爸爸更强还是儿子更棒？

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Which civilization was better, Ancient Rome or Ancient Greece?

古希腊文明和罗马文明谁更好？是爸爸更强还是儿子更棒？

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Brian Overland, Citizen of the World, author or programming books

布莱恩-奥弗兰，世界公民，作家或编程书籍的作者

It is very tempting to say “Greece,” because you can compare the idealism of the Olympic Games to the savagery of Gladitorial combat. But that is looking at only one aspect of the civilizations. We should remember that ancient Greece included Sparta as well as Athens. In the end, then, even although I am tempted to say Greece, the wisest call is really a split decision.

很想回答说 "希腊"，因为你可以将奥林匹克运动会的理想主义与格莱迪托尔战斗的野蛮性相比较就能得出结论。
但以上只是我们观察文明的一个面向。我们应该记住，古希腊包括斯巴达，也包括雅典。
那么最后即使我很想回答说希腊，但最明智的决定其实还是把这个回答一分为二。

Greece was by far the more creative and original of the two civilizations. They created entirely new branches of knowledge and laid down its basic foundations. They literally invented logic. Drama. Democracy. The jury system. Epic poetry. Tragedy and comedy. And even the basic axioms of mathematics, not to mention the system of proofs — now considered the essence of mathematical research today.

迄今为止，希腊是两个文明中更具创造性和原创性的文明。他们创造了全新的知识分支，并奠定了其基本基础。
他们真的发明了逻辑、戏剧、民主制度、陪审团制度、史诗、悲剧和喜剧。
他们甚至还发明了数学的基本公理，更不用说现在被认为是当今数学研究精华的证明体系了。

Roman law was supremely effective, so much so, that even after thousands of years, there are some concepts of Roman law in use even today. And this is (in part) why Latin is the language of so many legal terms.

古罗马法典是极其有效的，以至于即使在几千年后的今天，仍有一些罗马法的概念在使用。这也是为什么拉丁文是这么多法律术语的来源（部分原因）。

Cj Castillo
The “Byzantine” Empire never existed. irl it was Roman.

"拜占庭 "帝国从来没有存在过，它就是罗马。
（译者注：关于罗马帝国、古罗马帝国、东罗马帝国、西罗马帝国、神圣罗马帝国、第三罗马、绿罗马、南罗马、罗马尼亚之间的关系，比较复杂，译者也没完全搞清楚）

Peter Pappas
That’s true. But the eastern Roman Empire was far more culturally Greek than Latin. Compared to the western empire or the classical unified Roman Empire

这倒是真的。但你只要比较一下西罗马帝国或古典统一的罗马帝国，就能得出结论，东罗马帝国在文化上的希腊化程度远远高于拉丁化程度。

Both groups made some technological advances and sometimes introduced aspects of political change that from our point of view were the start of a 2500 year long human rights revolution that only would take off from 1700 forward.

罗马和希腊这两个集团都取得了一些技术上的进步，有时也引入了一些政治变革的方面，从我们的角度来看，这是一场长达2500年的人权革命的开始，而这场革命只有在1700年以后才会有起色。

The Romans were more dependent on the Greeks for crucial intellectual developments since the Greeks went first; in essence Rome was a continuation of Greek culture in the same way that the US is a continuation of UK developments. Greek learning was prized (usually) in Rome and absorbed; the Eastern half of the Roman Empire spoke Greek as its lingua franca, with a sliver of Latin speakers in positions of power (so you could have tri-lingual people, since locals would continue to speak other languages at home or in local markets).

罗马人在关键的知识体系发展上，更多地需要依赖希腊人，因为希腊人走在前面；本质上罗马是希腊文化的延续，就像美国是英国发展的延续一样。
希腊学问在罗马受到重视（通常），并被吸收；罗马帝国的东半部以希腊语为通用语，有一小部分讲拉丁语的人处于权力地位（所以有操三国语言的人，当地人会在家里或当地市场上继续讲其他语言）。

So Greece is usually thought of as having the greatest long-term impact on us now since the power of ideas outlasted use of Roman aquaducts and roads, but the West is really a continuation of both worlds. The Catholic church and Western polities took over Roman forms and laws; “dukes” started with Rome and Roman law influenced law through the Napoleonic Code days. So both are significant.

所以希腊通常被认为对我们的长期影响最大，因为思想的力量超过了罗马水渠和道路的使用，但西方其实是两个世界的延续。
天主教会和西方政体承接了罗马的形式和法律；"公爵体系"从罗马开始，罗马法一直影响到拿破仑法典时代。所以两者都很重要。

Aurelio Cevolotto, History Teacher
The question seems to be asking who is stronger, the father or the son?

这个问题好像是在问，在你们家，是爸爸更强，还是儿子更棒？

It is this ,
A) Greek ,

看看这个
A) 希腊

or this,
B) Roman, better ?

或者这个。
B）罗马，是不是看上去更好?

This ,
A) Greek,

那这个呢
A）希腊

or this,
B) Roman, ?

或这个。
B）罗马?

( If You answer A), consider that it is thought to be a masterpiece of the Ancient Greek architecture , but it was built in Armenia during the Roman age)

(如果你的答案是A)，考虑到它被认为是古希腊建筑的杰作，但它建于亚美尼亚的罗马时代)

Again, this
A) Greek,

同样，这
A）希腊

or this,
B) Roman, ?

或这个。
B）罗马?

Or more, this,
A, Greek

或者更多，这。
A, 希腊

or this,
B) Roman, ?

或这个。
B）罗马

Or even this,
C) Undefined*, ?

甚至这个。
C) 不确定*，?

C), in fact, is the so called, Greek Theatre of Taormina, Sicily, that, honestly, was reconstructed by the Romans.

其实C就是所谓的，西西里岛陶尔米纳的希腊剧院，说实话，是罗马人重建的。

So the question is, who is better, the father or the son?

那么问题来了，谁更好，爸爸还是儿子？