【龙腾网】你喜欢没有雄心壮志的人吗？如果喜欢原因是什么？如果不喜欢原因又是什么？

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Do you like people without ambition? Why or why not?

你喜欢没有雄心壮志的人吗？如果喜欢原因是什么？如果不喜欢原因又是什么？

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Jane Chin (陳盈錦), Working remote since 1999

Ambition is evolving the same way. Now, we judge people on a set of criteria that arbitrarily determines whether their life should be valuable or worthwhile. Most of the time I am not reminded of whether I am "ambitious" unless I think of myself comparing with "my peers". Ambition is making choices aligned with social expectations of Leaning In and Winning Friends and Influencing People. Ambition is what you can monetize.
I have learned to remove "ambition" as a criteria for liking someone, because it tells me less about that person's values than what truly is motivating and inspiring a person. I can't say that I no longer judge a person whom I view as lacking ambition, but I know this says more about my shortcoming than the other person.

“雄心壮志”也有同样的发展轨迹。现在，我们用一套标准来评判一个人，这些标准武断地决定他们的生命是不是有价值的。在大多数情况下，除非我能偶尔想起自己要和同龄人作比较的时候，我才会去思考自己是不是具有“雄心壮志”。这里的“雄心壮志”是指做出与社会期望相一致的选择，即依靠他人、赢得朋友和影响他人。“雄心壮志”是可以货币化的。
我学会了不把“雄心壮志”作为是不是喜欢一个人的标准，因为它告诉我的不是那个人的价值观，而是真正激励和鼓舞一个人的东西。我不敢保证我不会再妄议任何一个我认为缺乏雄心壮志的人，但我知道这一点是我的缺点。

Animesh Jha, Not all who wander are lost..
I can answer each "Yes" and the "No" with explanations:
The "Yes" : I like people with ambitions.
Why? : Because I had one too. I know the sacrifices one has to take to get to what he/she wants to achieve, this may be losing friends over time, being alone, depressed, distant from family etc. felt them all and well they have to be endured if you don't really have luck on your side.
People who have a dream at-least show some interest in their life towards something they believe in, but do not mistaken ambition with success or failure, ambition can be a life long thing, you aspire to achieve it or to at-least get close enough to it. If you don't, its not over, people who are successful didn't necessarily have an ambition in mind they just like working or had some goal. Passion is a definite plus to an overall quality in a person.

不管是哪个答案我都有理由。
答案如果是“是的”：我喜欢有抱负的人。
为什么？因为我也有抱负，我知道一个人为了实现他想要的目标必须做出的牺牲，这种牺牲可能是随着时间的推移而失去朋友、孤独、沮、远离家人等等。你要经历以上这些，如果你没有运气的话，你就必须忍受这一切。
至少有梦想的人会因为有目标有方向而在生活中更加积极向上，但不要把有抱负和成功或失败相提并论，抱负可能是伴随你一辈子的，你渴望实现它，或者至少要接近目标。如果不是这样的，那么成功的人不一定是有抱负的，他们只是喜欢工作或者有目标。激情对一个人的整体素质而已无疑是一个加分项。

The "No" : Don't judge people based on whether or not they have an ambition.
Why?: People who have dreams can or have faced criticism, in my case my own parents, but it didn't mean my dreams weren't valid, it just didn't seem practical to them. Same can happen to many people, the negativity or criticism can make people afraid of actually fighting for an ambition. Which is where willpower is required, its the ability to endure everything against and still go ahead. Some have it, others don't and still their are a 3rd type who build it gradually in due time.

如果答案是“不”：不要根据人们是否有抱负来评判他们。
为什么？有梦想的人可能或曾经被批评过，就我个人而言，我是我自己的父母最在意的，但这并不意味着我的梦想是无效的，只是对他们来说似乎不现实。同样的事情也会发生在很多人身上，消极的态度或者批评会浇灭人们为了他们自己的抱负而奋斗的热情。而想保持热情，这就需要意志力了，它是一种冲破一切阻力并继续前进的能力。有些人有，有些人没有，或者是第三种，他们在适当的时候逐步加强自己的意志力。

Although the people without ambition are more calm and less tense about life, they enjoy the little things and more frequently than the ambitious kind who have the ability to sacrifice the same for the greater future.
Hence when I see a person with an ambition its more of like a +ve addition to his/her quality, but this is much after knowing the person and is not the basis of me carrying forward the relationship, even something as basic as friendship. On the flip-side, "Wanna-be" ambitious people are a turn-off for me, they are the kind who like the idea of having an ambition but do absolutely nothing and make excuses and tell people that their dreams matter. There are also people who are talented but not ambitious cause they are down right lazy.

虽然没有雄心壮志的人对待生活的态度更加镇定，对生活不那么紧张，但他们比那些“雄心壮志勃勃”的人更加享受生活中的小事情，比那些有能力为更美好的未来做出牺牲的人更懂享受生活。
因此，当我看到一个有抱负的人时，更像是一个加分项，但这是在认识了这个人之后的加分项，并不是我发展关系的基础，也不是我建立友谊的基础。另一方面，“想成为”雄心勃勃的人让我感到厌烦，他们想要成为雄心壮志勃勃的人，但却什么也不做，找借口告诉人们他们的梦想很重要。也有一些人是有才华但没有雄心壮志的，因为他们是彻头彻尾的懒鬼。

I had found it quite easy to make friends and can get along people much easily compared to many people I know, the reason being, I don't care about a person's past or what he is, rich/poor or even weird. All I require is that that person has a good heart and treat's others with respect and is humble, those are much far fetched qualities which define someone no matter how rich , poor or ambitious he/she is. (I don't like fake people though, so don't bother in continuing a relationship, once its obvious)
People who have no ambition, maybe have not found their passion yet, maybe they need to experience a little more of the world, maybe they are a little young.. many factors determine someone's ambition. A poor man who has to feed a family of 4 will not have an ambition because his aim for the day is to survive with his family, hence how can someone judge his condition without knowing what he goes through everyday to survive.

根据我过往的经历，我发现交朋友很容易，并且也可以轻松的和人相处，原因是，我不在乎一个人的过去，也不在乎他是什么样的人，他是不是富有、贫穷甚至是怪异的人。我只要求那个人有一颗善良的心，尊重别人，谦逊，这些都是难以捉摸的品质，无论一个人多么富有，多么贫穷，多么雄心勃勃。（不过，我不喜欢假惺惺的人，所以一旦我感觉到不对，就不用费心去经营一段感情了）
没有雄心壮志的人，也许还没有找到自己的激情，也许他们需要更多地体验这个世界，也许他们有点年轻。有许多因素决定一个人是不是有雄心壮志。一个要养活一个四口之家的穷人是不会有雄心壮志的，因为他今天的目标是和家人一起活下去，因此，如果一个人不知道其他人的生活经历的情况下，怎么能轻易地做出判断呢？

Marie Crimi, Post Grad Law, Politics, Social Issues & Social Sciences, Murdoch University (2004)
Look I did something really amazing a few years back. See at 20 I suffered an illness, previously I had been very popular, and working at a job that was prestigious, and the envy of my friends who did simple jobs or had no work. I got sick and all of my friends distanced themselves from me. So slowly but surely I set out to slowly and in silence recover my health, it took me nearly three long years. Once I had recovered, I thought stupid people, I will teach you a lesson. So I got into education, in a big way. I ended up In A Law Degree, then I proceeded to study post graduate, I did succeed. When I had new and better prestige, employment once again, and these people were under the impression, I was earning big money, they went out of their way, to make friends and be part of my life, once again. Some still turn away from me, because I have surpassed them greatly, and they are lumbered with family issues and unhappy marriages, and debts… Of course I have other new friends in my life, and I have rejected them forever, I do not want them in my life, full stop… My life has never been about ambition, I never had to prove I was highly intelligent and successful. I was just lucky all my life to have achieved in moderation and had ended up in a good job. Like you said it is for public appearance and status, to be and to be liked and to be a show, in our society. What I have accomplished is Beyond Words, because I Shut Them All Up Forever… To me Life has always been about having Fun, not serious at All, because I always knew that anyone can achieve, if they set their mind to the task of achieving. Therefore according to me, no one is dumb. or unambitious, because in our own ways, we choose the life, we choose to be and live…

几年前我做了一件非常了不起的事。20岁的时候我生病了，以前我很受欢迎，我的工作也非常体面，我的那些做简单的工作或没有工作的朋友都很羡慕我。后来我生病了，我所有的朋友都和我保持距离。所以我慢慢地，默默地进行复健，这花了我将近三年的时间。我康复了后继续完成我的学业，我最终获得了法学学位，然后我继续攻读研究生，我确实成功了。当我有了新的、更好的声望，并又一次有了工作，这些人的行为也让我记忆犹新，我赚了大钱，他们绞尽脑汁想要和我交朋友，再次成为我生活的一部分。有些人仍然远离我，因为我已经远远超过了他们，他们被家庭问题、不幸的婚姻和债务所困扰。当然，我的生活中还有其他新朋友，我已经永远拒绝了一些人，我不想让他们出现在我的生活中，我自己从来没有“雄心壮志”，我从不需要证明我自己是非常聪明和成功的。我只是幸运地在取得了一定的成就，并最终找到了一份好工作。就像你说的，这是为了在公众心中的形象和地位，为了被人喜欢，为了在我们的社会中成为一场秀。我所取得的成就是无法用语言表达的，因为我没有显露出来，对我来说，生活总是充满乐趣的，一点也不严肃，因为我始终知道，任何人都可以实现他们下定决心想要实现的目标。所以在我看来，没有人是愚蠢的或者没有进取心的，因为我们以自己的方式选择生活。

Aravind Govindarajan
Everyone has his/her own set of ambitions. What may seem ambitious to me might not look the same from your perspective. So in your view, people without ambition are essentially people with certain ambitions which you don't consider being worthy of the word 'ambition'.
That being said, being ambitious or not does not directly translate to likeablitiy for me. Instead, what attracts me is passion. I really like people who are passionate about what they do. They need not have goals, targets, career paths,etc. as long as they are passionate and content.
The way I see it, being very ambitious kills the contentment factor. Of course I admire people who are smart with their targets, and set realistic goals and achieve them. But I equally like people who don't really have a set of targets, but go through life - passionate, happy and content, the way it is supposed to be lived.
In your deathbed, you'll not remember the feats you had achieved in your life, but how happy you were when you achieved them. If happiness is what matters at the end of the day, should we really mind where it came from?

每个人都有自己的雄心壮志。在我看来似乎是很有雄心壮志的事情，但从你的角度来看可能不一样。在那些你看来没有雄心壮志的人本质上是有某些雄心壮志的人，但你可能认为这些人不配用“雄心壮志”这个词。
话虽如此。不过吸引我的是激情。我真的喜欢那些对自己的工作充满激情的人。他们不需要有目标，指标，职业发展规划等，他们本身就充满激情和满足感的。
在我看来，雄心勃勃会扼杀满足感。当然，我敬佩那些非常聪明可以设定适当目标的人，他们设定了现实的目标并实现了目标。但我同样喜欢那些没有明确目标的人，他们的生活充满激情、快乐和满足，这就是生活该有的样子。
临终之际，你不会记得你一生中所取得的成就，而是当你取得这些成就时你是多么的幸福的状态。如果幸福是最重要的，我们真的应该在意它是从哪里来的吗？

Cencio Farre, Enginerd, cook, baker, father, dancer, et cetera.
Whether I like someone or not has nothing at all to do with whether they are ambitious. That being said...
In the conventional sense, ambitious means have and working towards conventional success. Wealth, power, status. To be honest, people into success for its own sake are not very interesting to me.
Then there are people that have a passion for some pursuit. If it is a pursuit I have some interest in, those people might be interesting to me.
The people I like, we tend to have common interests, and they are people that treat others well. They may be funny, or generous, or good listeners. They have skills in interacting with people.
Now, if I'm going to relate traits I am impatient with, that may or may not connect to your definition of ambition...
Someone who does not take responsibility for their own life, I will not look on as a peer. This doesn't mean I won't lend a hand to someone who is having a tough time, but I don't have much patience for indulgence in self-pity. Basic personal and financial hygiene, consideration for others, responsibility for self, these are kind of basic to me.

我是否喜欢一个人与他们是否雄心勃勃无关。
在传统意义上，雄心勃勃的就是意味着朝着常规的成功去努力：财富、权力、地位。老实说，我对那些为了成功而走向成功的人不太感兴趣。
还有一些人热衷于某种追求。如果这是一个我感兴趣的追求，那可能我会对那些人感兴趣。
我喜欢的人，往往有共同的优点：他们是善待他人的人；他们可能是有趣的或慷慨的；或者是一个好的倾听者；他们擅长人际交往等。
现在，如果我要说的是我不耐烦的特质，那与你对雄心壮志的定义可能没有关系。
一个对自己的生活不负责任的人，我不会把他当同龄人看待。这并不意味着我不会帮助那些日子不好过的人，但我没有太多的耐心去纵容他们顾影自怜。关注个人基本的财务和卫生，为他人着想，对自己负责，这些对我来说都是基本的要求。

Kris Herndon
I do like people without ambition. I used to be one. I have a fairly happy "emotional set point" and as long as I have a nice boyfriend, some friends, some spending money and a nice place to live, I am usually fairly content. When there is bad weather, I enjoy complaining about it. I'm into things like taking long walks and reading.
When my daughter was born I became ambitious for the first time, because I understood for the first time that she would look to me for an example of how a person should live and what makes a fulfilling life. I also realized that I am responsible for her and while I share that responsibility with her father, if something should happen to him, it's all me. And it would be nice to feel that I can leave her something substantial, and give her a comfortable start in life.

我确实喜欢没有雄心壮志的人。我以前也是一个没有雄心壮志的人。我有一个幸福的评判标准，只要我有一个好男朋友、一些朋友、一些钱花和一个宜居的地方，我通常是相当满足的。天气不好时，我喜欢抱怨、我喜欢散步和看书。
当我女儿出生的时候，我第一次变得野心勃勃，因为我意识到，我应该成为她的榜样，告诉她一个人应该怎样生活，怎样才能使生活充实。我也意识到我要对她负责，虽然我和她父亲分担责任，但如果他发生了什么事情，那就只剩下我一个人。如果我能给她留下一些实质性的东西，给她一个舒适的生活起点，那就太好了。

Chasing Whispers
It depends what you mean by ambition. I personally (maybe sadly) equate “ambitious" with ruthless, selfish, and obsessed with financial gain. That's just what I've somehow been exposed to when it comes to that descxtion.
Now, I am personally hardworking, a high achiever, driven and highly motivated and successful. But I would never call myself ambitious and luckily no one does. But I also never call anyone I respect or love ambitious either. To me it doesn’t mean any of the things I just described myself as. For me it's too tied to a corporate, conservative, capitalist, nasty mindset.
So, sorry, not sorry. I still work hard. I'm not Ambitious. I like to lie in, have cake, play Skyrim, love Frankie Boyle, have sex, drink, get takeaways, don't have any social media, and take recreational drugs. I hate hierarchy, will not kiss arse, climb ladders, or pretend to be something I'm not. ambition. I think you're a fraud.

这取决于你是怎么定义野心的。也许有点遗憾，我个人把“野心勃勃”等同于无情、自私和对经济利益的痴迷。我之所以这么描述，是因为我遇到的人都是这样的。
现在，我自己非常努力工作，也取得了不错的成就，有进取心，工作充满激情，并且很成功。但我从来不会说自己有野心，幸运的是也没有人说我有野心。但我也从不说我尊敬或爱的人有野心。对我来说，我对自己的描述并不意味着什么。在我看来，野心与公司、保守、资本家、下流的心态联系在一起。
所以很遗憾，其实也不应该感到遗憾。我一直努力工作，但我没有野心。我喜欢躺在床上，吃蛋糕，玩天际，喜欢弗兰基·博伊尔，做爱，喝酒，吃外卖，不用任何社交媒体，还服用休闲毒品。我讨厌等级制度，不会去热脸贴冷屁股，不会努力向上爬，也不会假装自己不是这样的人。野心，就是一个幌子。