莫光头谈《天地大重奏》与DC漫画宇宙的变化。

2018-03-07 17:02 作者:嶳鑴 0人读过 | 我要投稿

转自正联吧。2015年的外网新闻，IGN对dc漫画编剧光头莫里森的一次采访，大概讲的就是莫光头通过写《天地大重奏》事件给dc设定了无限个不同体系的多元宇宙，而大boss虚空之手设定是读者。下面是采访内容:

IGN: Multiversity is kind of a continuation of some of the themes and ideas you were working with in Final Crisis. How soon after finishing Final Crisis did you start planning this book?
IGN:【天地大重奏】是你在【最终危机】玩的某些主题和主意的延续，大概你完成【最终危机】多久后就开始准备此刊？
Morrison: I actually started planning it before Final Crisis. It came directly from the end of 52, where me and Mark [Waid] and Greg [Rucka] and Geoff [Johns] brought back the DC multiverse with the 52 universes. So it kind of started there, you know? We talked about doing something more with it but didn't. I had a bunch of ideas in my notebook, and I just kept coming back to the project. I was really fascinated by the notion. It's really been since 2008 or something. In fact, longer than that. 52 was 2007. So it's been a long time coming. And yeah, Final Crisis kind of played into it, and it played out of Final Crisis. But it also plays into everything I've done, even going back to Animal Man. That's just something I like to do - to link up all the stuff I've done for DC.
莫里森:事实上我在【最终危机】前就开始准备此刊了。在【52】后就直接产生的主意。Mark Waid，Greg Rucka，Geoff Johns和我一起带回了52个宇宙，DC的多元宇宙。所以那就是开始。
我们探讨了做些什么，但是最终没写。我在小本子里有一对注意，又不断回到这个项目上。我对这个项目着迷，其实是从2008年开始。事实上比那更久，【52】是2007年的。所以是很长时间。所以确实【最终危机】是涉及了其中，然后它由【最终危机】而出。但是实际上它涉及了所有我写的东西，甚至早到动物侠时期。那就是我想干的，去联系起所有我在DC的作品。
IGN: There have been a couple stories lately that have been tackling the multiverse concept in one form or another. You had Convergence earlier this spring, and now Geoff is covering that ground with his Darkseid War story. Have you been in contact with those writers and trying to make these stories work together?
IGN:最近有不少故事都涉及多元宇宙的概念，比如【多元聚合】，现在Geoff Johns在搞【达克塞德战争】，你跟他们讨论了什么保证不互相吃书么？
Morrison: Well, no, because the Multiversity story was written so long ago. The best I've done is, yeah, I've spoken to Geoff about what he was doing with the Darkseid stuff and his take on the multiverse. I've adapted things so that they fit. It's Geoff's version of Earth-3 that finally made it into Multiversity. But because it started so long ago, most of the issues were actually written back then. In the intervening time it's just about working on them and making new drafts and adding in new information. The series kind of existed on its own, and the best I could do was keep it up to date with what was happening, because things were happening. When I started this there wasn't such an idea as the New 52 or any of the stuff that's happened subsequently.
莫里森:没有。因为【天地大重奏】的故事是很久以前。我做过的顶多就是问了Geoff 他在怎么搞达叔，以及他是怎么写多元宇宙。我把这些东西揉进了我的故事，所以最后是Geoff 的地球-3最后进入了【天地大重奏】。
但是因为我写的巨早，所以大部分故事都是早年间写的。这之后主要就是在他们上下功夫以及加入新稿以及新信息。这系列基本是独立存在的。我顶多让它跟上现在的版本，因为事情在不断发生。当我开始写的时候并没有【新52】以及后面那些东西。
IGN: You had that Guidebook issue that showed the scope and makeup of the multiverse, but there were several worlds that remained a mystery. Was that you trying to leave the door open for stories like Forever Evil, or do you have more of a specific plan for those unidentified worlds?
IGN:你用【指南】展现了多元宇宙的范围和构成。但是有七个宇宙依旧是谜团。你是为了给像【邪恶永恒】这样的故事留后门么？还是你对这些宇宙有另外的计划？
Morrison: No, I always wanted to leave a bunch of them there in case other writers wanted to come in and do something like that. I secured like 40 universes or something like that, so it only seemed fair to leave 7 or so. I also left the gateway open for the idea of a larger multiverse, which is kind of where we're going with it now. The Orrery of Worlds, as we call it - the DC Multiverse - is only one of millions, potentially infinite bubble universes. Bubble multiverses, even which is kind of consistent with current multiverse theories. It was kind of trying to tie it into all of that. The idea was to leave holes so people could fill them in. And even the bottom of the multiverse map has an empty space where Dan [Didio] asked me to leave a strange bubble, which turned out to be the Blood Moon from Convergence and Futures End. I did try to keep up to date and incorporate as much as possible. But yeah, those gaps were left for other writers.
莫里森:没有。我就是想挖一堆坑。万一有别人想来填坑做类似的故事。我自己搞定了大概40个宇宙，所以留下7个大概是公平的。我实际上还挖了更大的多元宇宙的坑，也正是我们现在走的方向。
【万天仪】也就是现在的DC多元宇宙实际上是百万之一，甚至可能是无数泡沫宇宙之一。
泡沫多元宇宙，大概也跟现在的多元宇宙学说相符。大概就是想跟这些都联系起来。
主意就是留一堆坑这样后来的编剧可以填坑。我确实努力跟上现在的版本，不过确实，那些坑都是留给别人填的。
IGN: I know one of your goals with Multiversity was to have each issue look like it came from a different universe in terms of the art style and presentation. Ho much work went into planning each issue and then finding the right artist to bring that world to life?
Morrison: I worked on the covers pretty early on and had the idea that the Society of Super-Heroes, for instance, would look like a pulp cover inspired by stories from those 1930's pulp magazines. The Just issue was going to look like a celebrity magazine because that universe was inspired by The Hills. Pax Americana was going to look like a Watchmen thing, following the same rules of design and composition. And so on.
And then it just became a case of figuring out, like with Pax Americana, I really wanted Frank Quitely to draw that. The stuff we've done together - we tend to operate at the peak of high efficiency. That one in particular I wanted to be tight. And Ben Oliver seemed perfect for The Just because he does this beautiful, photo-realistic kind of... beautiful people, you know? [laughs] Gorgeous men and women are done in this lovely style. And because it was about '90s heroes and legacy stuff, as well. That evoked Alex Ross and Kingdom Come. So each of the artists was chosen carefully.Chris Sprouse does these retro, deco set pieces and the clean-jawed heroes. There's that great Howard Chaykin version of the Immortal Man that he did. So again, all the artists were picked because they could bring something specific to the book.
IGN：我知道【天地大重奏】的一个目标就是让每本看起来像是来自不同的宇宙，就艺术风格和表现而言。你花了多少时间去规划每一刊，然后找到合适的艺术家将这个世界变为现实？
莫里森：我很早就搞了封面，并且有过这样的想法，比如说【超级英雄会社】封面看起来像是1930年的流行杂志。【超二代】将看起来像名人杂志，因为这个宇宙灵感来自【The Hills】。按照相同的设计和组合规则，【美利坚治世团】将看起来像守望者的。
然后成了搞清楚哪个画师在哪刊，
就像【美利坚治世团】，我真的想让Frank Quitely来画这个。我们以前合作过 - 我们倾向于在高效运作。那一刊我希望紧凑。而Ben Oliver对【超二代】来说很完美，因为他风格写实逼真，像照片一样。
华丽的男人和女人都以这种可爱的风格完成。而且因为它是关于90年代的英雄和遗产。也就是启发Alex Ross和【天国降临】的那套。
所以每个艺术家都是经过精心挑选的。Chris Sprouse做这些复古装饰套件和干净下巴的英雄。
因为他搞过Howard Chaykin版本的【不朽众】。
所有的艺术家被挑选出来，是因为他们可以带来一些特定风格。
IGN: Multiversity has an interesting structure in that most of the issues stand alone, but they also fit together in this larger tapestry. Do you think the series reads any differently now that it's all collected in one place?
Morrison: Yeah, I think it's a bit tighter than I realized. They were all written as very specific issues. Some of the parts are really quite complete, even though they suggest other stories. Others, like The Master Men, are a little bit more open. But they were all intended to be like the pilots of series that could potentially go on. And if they never went on, there was always this pilot season. That was the idea. I just wanted to do them all as first issues that you wouldn't necessarily see the second issues of. Or maybe some other writer might pick up those stories.
IGN：Multiversity有一个有趣的结构，因为大多数刊都是独立的，但它们也同时在更大的版图上契合。你认为现在这个系列的阅读方式有什么不同吗？当它们都集合在一起？
莫里森：是的，我觉得比我意识到的要紧密一点。
他们都写成非常特别的刊。有些部分是非常完整的，尽管埋下了了其他的故事的伏笔。其他的，比如【帝国兴亡录】，则更加开放。但他们都打算像可能继续下去的系列首刊一样。
如果他们从来没有继续连载，那么总有这个系列首刊。就是这么个主意。我只是想把它们全部作为第一刊来写，而并不一定有第二本。或许别人会来填坑。
IGN: Do you think having all these issues together now will help readers find connections between the chapters they didn't see before?
Morrison: Oh, definitely. It's much more of a single piece, I guess in answer to your last question. It's much more together. The very first page and the very last page mirror each other. There are threads that pick up that maybe weren't as noticeable in the individual issues that become more noticeable in the collection. I'm really pleased with the collection. I've been waiting for it for a while. It seems to be the perfect form for the book.
IGN：你认为现在将所有这些单刊结合在一起可以帮助读者找到他们以前从未见过的章节之间的联系吗？
莫里森：哦，当然。现在更像一个整体，我想这回答你最后一个问题，各刊之间的联系更多。第一页和最后一页相互镜像。有些线索可能会在单刊中不那么明显，而作为整体读时会引人注目。我对这个系列非常满意。我一直在等待它。它是这本书的完全体。
IGN: Do you know if the reading order in the hardcover is the same as it was for the monthly releases? I'm specifically curious about the Guidebook issue and where that's being inserted.
Morrison: It's in exactly the same spot as it was in the monthly version. I think it comes in after Thunderworld and before Master Men. It had to, because the story flows that way. The Thunderworld story flows from that issue into the Guidebook and back out of it.
IGN：你知道精装书的阅读顺序是否与月刊发布的顺序相同？我对“指南”问题以及插入的位置感到特别好奇。
莫里森：与月刊版本完全相同。我认为它是在【雷霆世界】之后和【帝国兴亡录】之前。必须这样，因为故事是这样进行的。【雷霆世界】的故事从单刊进行到了【指南】里，然后又从中而出。
IGN: Can you talk about what else is being included in the hardcover in terms of bonus material? Are there sketches or script excerpts or things like that?
Morrison: There's a ton of sketch stuff in the back. There's all my original sketches and drawings and notebook stuff. There's a huge section of original art and designs from all of the issues. And a bunch of other stuff - mostly art and covers and back-end stuff.
IGN：你能否谈论在附加材料方面精装书还包括哪些内容？有草图或脚本摘录或类似的东西？
莫里森：书后有很多草图。有我所有的原始草图，画和笔记之类的。每一刊都有一大堆原创艺术和设计。还有一些其他的东西 - 主要是画作，封面和后来的东西。
IGN: I was kind of surprised at how open-ended the conclusion was in Multiversity #2. One of the themes you've explored a lot in your previous DC work was the idea that these stories and these conflicts between good and evil never really end. Was that something you were trying to reinforce with this ongoing conflict between the Gentry and this new Justice Incarnate team?
Morrison: Always I've thought, and particularly now in the era of event-driven comics where characters are subjected to these absolutely life-ruining events in every story arc, I wanted to sum up what all these stories are. It's where the characters get to the end and they appear to have beaten the bad guy, and then an even bigger bad guy shows up and says, "I'll get you later." The real big bad guy at the end - he looks like the Ultra Comics character, but he's also the reader. The empty hand of the reader when he puts the comic down and everything ends. But like the bad guy, he can also come back in full force and say, "You'll meet me again."
I like my books to have multiple meanings. There's multiple ways of reading it. The big bad at the end represents all the big bads in every story. We just beat that villain, now here comes the Anti-Monitor. We just beat the Anti-Monitor, now here comes something that's bigger than big. That was my thinking - the ultimate bigger than big, the ultimate universe destroyer. It's the reader, who chooses to either participate or not.
IGN：我对【天地大重奏】的结局如此开放感到惊讶。
你在以前的DC作品中探索过的主题之一就是这些故事这些冲突在善恶交锋中永不完结。
这是你企图通过【恶念权贵】与这个【正义化身】团队之间持续不断的冲突再次强调的东西吗？
莫里森：我一直都在想，尤其是现在在大事件驱动的漫画时代，
人物在每个故事线里都经历了这些绝对毁灭人生的事件，所以我来总结一下这些故事。
主角们到了结局，他们似乎击败了那个坏人，然后一个更大的坏人出现并说：“我之后再来搞你。”
最后一个真正的大反派 - 他看起来像【无量漫画】那个角色，但他也是读者。
当读者把漫画放下来，一切都结束时，就会是空手。
但是像那个反派一样，读者也可以全力回归，并说：“你会再次见到我的。”
我喜欢我的书有多重含义。有多种解读方式。
最后的反派代表了每个故事中的所有大反派。我们只是打败了那个反派，现在来了反监大王。
我们刚打败了反监大王，现在这里出现了比大更大的什么。
所以这就是我的想法 - 终极的大反派，终极的宇宙毁灭者。
那就是读者，因为他们能选择参与还是不参与。
IGN: You mentioned how these issues were meant to serve as pilots for potential ongoing series, and now DC has announced Multiversity Too, so it sounds like you'll be picking up where you left off. Did you decide at some point that you weren't done with these worlds you had set up and you had more stories to tell?
Morrison: Well, no. The honest truth about that is that I had a Flash story that didn't really fit into any continuity. I suggested to Dan Didio to do it as Flash: Earth One. But Joe Straczynski is doing Flash: Earth One, so the question was how to place this Flash story. Dan suggested the idea, "Why not call it Multiversity Too? Let's have a framework. And if you want to do a story set in a world that's been untouched, you can do it. And if other writers want to do the same, they can do it".
It's almost like bringing back the Elseworlds books. So far, I'm just doing this Flash book ,and I don't have any big plans to revisit any of the multiverse worlds yet. In the future I may choose to go back to something that seems to be suggesting a really good story. But for now there's not going to be any ongoing series of books or me doing anything like what I just did in Multiversity.
IGN：你提到了这些刊是如何作为潜在的连载的起点，现在DC已经宣布【天地大重奏 Too】了，所以听起来你会继续你的坑。你有没有在某个时候决定关于这些世界还没完，并且有更多的故事要讲述？
莫里森：不。事实上是我有一个闪电侠的故事，并不适合任何连续性。我建议Dan Didio做【闪电侠：地球一】。但是Joe Straczynski正在做【闪电侠：地球一】，所以问题是如何安排这个闪电侠故事。
Dan提出了这样一个想法：“为什么不把它称为【天地大重奏Too】呢？我们来搞个框架，这样你就可以写在未涉及的世界中发生的故事。如果其他作者想要做同样的事情，他们也可以。”
这几乎就像带回【异界系列】的书。到目前为止，我只是在做这本闪电侠，而且我暂时还没有任何重大计划去重新去搞任何多元宇宙世界。在未来，我可能会选择回到某些能够引发好故事的点子上。但现在不会有任何连载亦或【天地大重奏】那样的书。
IGN: Between that, the Wonder Woman: Earth One book you're doing with Yanick and the Batman: Black and White graphic novels they announced, it seems like you're really focusing on standalone graphic novels that aren't in the main DC continuity. Is that a structure you're just more interested in working with right now?
Morrison: Pretty much. I got kind of bummed out, because obviously I was doing the Batman Incorporated book and Action Comics, and it was just a lot of work for me. It got to the point where I didn't really want to do monthly books anymore. And I found myself wanting to do some stuff outside of comics - TV and film stuff - so the timing to do monthly comics wasn't really there anymore. It felt like it was an opportunity to diversify. I loved being able to spend so much time with Multiversity and do multiple drafts and re-drafts on it. It seemed a lot more fun than doing the improv stuff I was doing on the monthly books. So, yeah, it seemed like a different way to organize the work and still keep doing some work at DC. I always love to do the DC characters and come back to the universe, or the DC multiverse.
IGN：在这之间，你和Yanick一起做的【神奇女侠：地球一】和他们宣布的【蝙蝠侠：黑白】图像小说，看起来你专注在不是主要DC连续性的独立图像小说。这是一个你现在更感兴趣的结构吗？
莫里森：基本上是。我感觉很心塞，因为我写【蝙蝠侠群英会】和【动作漫画】，这对我来说太累了。已经到了我不再想要做月刊的地步。我发现自己想做一些漫画以外的东西 - 电视和电影 - 所以做每月漫画的时间就没有了。感觉这是一个多元化的机会。我喜欢能够与【天地大重奏】一起度过这么多时间，并为此写了很多草稿以及改稿。比我在月刊上做的即兴创作更有趣。所以，是的，这似乎是一种不同的工作方式，并且仍然在DC写些东西。
我喜欢写DC角色并回到DC宇宙，或者DC多元宇宙。
IGN: I was interested in hearing your thoughts on the Dark Knight III announcement. Just listening to some of your past interviews, you've been pretty supportive of The Dark Knight Strikes Again and the whole idea of continuing the original universe. I'm curious about your thoughts on this new sequel and even the possibility of writing one of those mini-comics they're including with the main issues.
Morrison: I'm certainly not doing any of those, but I'm looking forward to it. I love the original Dark Knight, like everyone else does. But the Dark Knight Strikes Again ,which divided everybody, I think it's a great book for completely different reasons, and it's a very different style. I really like it. So I'm kind of looking forward to the new one and seeing where Frank [Miller's] head's at right now. I'm definitely not involved at all with any of that series, but I'm really looking forward to it.
We tried to get a Dark Knight world into the Multiversity, but Frank actually didn't want it.
IGN：我想听听你对刚宣布的【DK3】系列的看法。只听过你以前的一些采访，你一直非常支持【DK2】和的整个继续【黑暗骑士宇宙】的想法。我好奇你对这个新续集的想法，甚至会不会有可能写出其中包含在主刊里的短篇？
莫里森：我当然没有写那些。
但我很期待。我喜欢最初的黑暗骑士，就像其他人一样。但是【DK2】让大家看法不同，我却因为完全不同的原因而认为这是一本好书，这有一个非常不同的风格。我很喜欢。所以我很期待看到新的一个，看看Frank Miller现在脑子里怎么想的。我绝对没有参与任何该系列，但我非常期待。
我们试图让黑暗骑士的世界加入【天地大重奏】，但是Frank Miller实际上并不想。
IGN: I was actually surprised that wasn't one of the 52 worlds in the Guidebook. But you say he didn't want to do that?
Morrison: It was originally. Originally there was a world that was kind of the Frank Miller world with the All-Star Batman and Robin. I imagined that going into The Dark Knight Returns. There was a whole kind of world there that would be his world. But I think he didn't want his take on all of that to be seen as just another parallel world.
IGN：我实际上很惊讶【黑暗骑士】不是【指南】中的52个世界之一。但是你说他不喜欢？
莫里森：原来【黑暗骑士】是52个世界中的。最初有一个【全明星蝙蝠侠和罗宾】的大概Frank Miller世界。我这么想着去接触【黑暗骑士归来】的。那里有一个完整的世界，那将是他的世界。但我认为他不希望他的作品被看作仅仅另一个平行世界。
IGN: Before we end off, I wanted to go back to one of your earlier points about DC possibly bringing back a larger multiverse. I'm happy to hear that, because I always found the idea of 52 universes, while obviously better than just the one, kind of arbitrary and limiting. Do you think we're shifting back to a sort of pre-Crisis state where there are unlimited worlds in the multiverse again?
Morrison: Pretty much. I think we announced as much at San Diego this year anyway. Certainly, I've talked to Dan about it and we both feel the same. All the current models of the multiverse from cosmologists and actual physics and science suggest that there are multiple bubble universes and they give birth to one another like how bubbles arise from bubbles. I suggested to Dan if you imagine like a champagne glass and you picture all these bubbles rising and giving form to each other, that's what the real multiverse looks like. It's a much bigger scale. It's infinite. These bubbles, there's so many of them out there that there's the Marvel multiverse and there's the DC multiverse and over there's the Archie multiverse. I figure it gives us a scope that every comics universe exists somewhere in there. But the DC Universe is the one we're familiar with - the Orrery of Worlds, as we've called it - and it's floating in this source with multiple multiverses.
IGN：在我们结束之前，我想回到你之前关于DC可能会带回一个更大的多元宇宙的想法。
我很高兴听到这个消息，因为我觉得了只有52个宇宙的想法，虽然明显比只有一个更好，但是有些随意和限制。
你是否认为DC正在回到一种【无限地球危机】前的状态，在多元宇宙中又有无限的宇宙了？
莫里森：基本上是这个意思。
反正我认为我们今年在圣地亚哥宣布的就是大概这意思。
当然，我已经和Dan说过了，我们想法一样。
宇宙学家的多元宇宙的所有现有模型还有物理和科学都表明，存在多个泡沫宇宙，它们互相产生，就像气泡会产生新气泡。我让Dan想像一个香槟酒杯，并且想象所有气泡升起又互相产生，这就是真正的多元宇宙的样子。
这是一个更大的规模。这是无限的。
这些气泡，有太多这样的气泡在那里，有【漫威多元宇宙】，还有【DC多元宇宙】，以及那里的【阿奇多元宇宙】。我想它给了我们一个大致概念，每个漫画宇宙都存在于那里。
但是我们熟悉的【DC宇宙】也就是我们所熟悉的 - 我们称作【万天仪】 -它跟一大堆多元宇宙一起漂浮在这个源头中。

以上是莫光头采访所说的内容。

在17年DC新的大事件“黑暗金属”中，引出了新的概念“黑暗多元宇宙”，黑暗多元宇宙存在于主多元宇宙地图的背面。

DC也曾多次表明黑暗多元宇宙要远远大于主多元宇宙。主多元宇宙是漂浮在海上的浮尘，而黑暗多元宇宙则是无边无际的海洋。

而黑暗多元宇宙中还出现了“世界熔炉”，世界熔炉是“铸炼”宇宙的地方，巴巴托斯杀死了自己的主人便取代他占领了“世界熔炉”。

早期莫光头也和其他编剧一起给DC创造了“超时间流”的概念，当时此设定是用于写dc漫画“异世界”的故事，后来的新的52个宇宙也是从“超时间流”中抽取出来的。“超时间流”是处于DC多元宇宙之外的“时间洪流网”，连接着DC漫画宇宙至今为止所有的故事，曾经“无线地球危机”前的无限宇宙也只是其冰山一角的碎片。莫光头给“超时间流”的设定是超时间流包括所有漫画电视小说电影等等等等的一切的总和。和om的设定类似。