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【原神|视频字幕】Ashikai:神之心王棋说(3.8 版本)

2023-08-05 18:56 作者:永恒的贝多芬  | 我要投稿

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We are very wrong about how we're thinking about these Gnoses. Well, probably. See, ever since version 1.1, I feel like the entire Genshin lore community has collectively agreed that each Gnosis represents a different piece of a singular chess set. And up until the release of Sumeru, we only really had two Gnoses to work with: the Anemo- and Geo-Gnosis. And no one really thought twice about the Geo-Gnosis being a rook and the Anemo-Gnosis being a queen. And then, when we finally got the Electro-Gnosis, most agreed that it's either a bishop due to the shape or a knight because the Shogun is like a war general. And this concept basically pleased everyone, myself included. With seven archons, we'd have had enough Gnoses to make two bishops, two rooks, two knights, and one queen, with one theorized eighth Gnosis taking the place of the king. And that was likely being held by Celestia or some secret eighth archon in Khaenri'ah or something. You know, it makes sense, right? It's good. And that's probably why basically every theory about the Gnoses to this day has been about which archon would have which chess piece represented by their Gnosis. I'm guilty of this too. But recently, I've started to think that we're asking the wrong questions and making the wrong assumptions when it comes to the association between chess and Gnoses. So in this video, I want to pitch a bit of a different idea about the Gnoses, which may just change the way we think about the role of the archons.

我们对于神之心的看法简直大错特错——或许是的吧。自 1.1 版本之后,整个原学圈似乎一致认为,每枚神之心代表了一副国际象棋中的不同棋子。在须弥之前,我们只有两枚可供研究的神之心:风神之心和岩神之心。我们没多想就默认了岩神之心是车,风神之心是后。之后,我们终于见到雷神之心,主流看法认为它要么是象——因为形状相似,要么是马——因为“将军”相当于军队的将帅。基本上所有人都认同这个观点,包括我自己。尘世执政有七位,神之心足够匹配两个象、两个车、两个马和一个后,原则上还有第八枚神之心代表王。它可能由天空岛或某个神秘的第八执政持有,位于坎瑞亚之类的地方。这很合理,是吧?挺不错的猜想。或许就是因为这个原因,目前每个论及神之心的猜想都谈的是某位尘世执政的神之心代表哪个棋子。我也犯了这个错误。但最近我渐渐认为,我们在看待国际象棋和神之心的关联时,提出的问题和做出的假设都是错的。因此,在本视频中,我想提出一个稍显不同的神之心观点,这或许会改变我们对尘世执政的看法。


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And now, back to the video. Now, where were we? Oh right, we were talking about the most common theories that most people have about which archon has which Gnosis and how they arrive at that conclusion.

Now, one of the most popular ways to predict which archon will have which Gnosis is something I've dubbed "Movement Theory." This theory suggests that a Gnosis as a chess piece is determined by how that chess piece moves. For example, Venti is the god of freedom and also the queen piece. And the queen piece in chess can move however it likes, in other words, it can move freely. While Zhongli is the god of contracts and he is therefore inflexible and can only move in a straightforward manner, kind of like a rook. So, you get the idea, right? Like it's pretty straightforward.

But this kind of got me thinking. When we saw the "Winter Night's Lazzo" trailer, we got to see the Anemo- and Geo-Gnosis on a real chessboard as they replaced literal pieces. Only Venti's piece didn't make any sense. You see, the chessboard was a very specific layout from a very specific and famous chess game: Deep Blue vs Gary Kasparov in 1996, game one, move 34. The first game in a series of six Championship chess matches, where an AI, that's Deep Blue here, defeated a chess master, Kasparov. So, we know what this board should look like and what the pieces on the board should be.

那么,回到正题。刚才说到哪儿了?啊,对,说的是我们对哪位尘世执政拥有哪一种神之心的主流猜想,以及我们为什么得到这些结论。

这类预测的猜想中有几个最为流行,其中一个我称之为“走子理论”。它认为,神之心选用哪种棋子,由这种棋子的移动方式决定。例如,温迪是自由之神,棋子是后。后在国际象棋中可以灵活移动,四舍五入就是自由移动。而钟离是契约之神,就容不得灵活了,只能直来直往,有点像车。大概明白意思了吧?这解释简单明了。

但这也让我另有想法。在“冬夜愚戏”预告片中,我们看到风神之心和岩神之心在棋盘上代替了真正的棋子。但温迪的那一枚却讲不通。这盘棋用了一个非常特别的布局,出自一场著名的国际象棋对局:1996 年的“深蓝”与加里·卡斯帕罗夫首局的第 34 步。这也是国际象棋锦标赛六局战的第一局。最终,人工智能“深蓝”击败了国际象棋大师卡斯帕罗夫。因此,我们知道棋局应该是什么样子,棋盘上应该摆放哪些棋子。

 

Now, logic dictates that if the Geo-Gnosis is a rook, then it should take the place of a rook on the board. And if the Anemo-Gnosis is a queen, then it should take the place of a queen on the board, right? But the Anemo-Gnosis is actually in the place of a king. Now, this sparked a whole series of new theories that the Anemo-Gnosis was actually a king all along and not a queen. And I kind of bought into this myself. Well, actually, I suggested that the abilities of the queens and kings were switched in general. But whatever the result is, basically the same. The point here is that either Venti has to have the king piece or else he's a queen masquerading as a king, which is weird because why would Hoyoverse do that? Maybe we should take another look at this Deep Blue versus Kasparov game thing.

那么,按逻辑推断,如果岩神之心是车,那么它就应该替换棋盘上的一个车。如果风神之心是后,它就应该替换棋盘上的一个后,对吧?但风神之心实际上却替换了王。这引出了一系列的新理论,认为风神之心其实一直是王而不是后。我先前也有点认同这个说法。我的想法是,后和王在整体上交换了能力。但无论如何,观点基本上是一样的。分歧在于,要么温迪的棋子是王,要么他是伪装成王的后。这很奇怪,米哈游为什么要这么做呢?也许我们应该再看一下“深蓝”对阵卡斯帕罗夫的那场比赛。

 

Okay, so there are six games total in the Deep Blue versus Gary Kasparov series in 1996. And this is just game one. Game one seems to incorporate three regions: Mondstadt, Inazuma, and Liyue. So, this means that we have enough chess matches remaining to assign an entire match to each of the following regions: Sumeru, Fontaine, Natlan, Snezhnaya, and Khaenri'ah (I'm counting Khaenri'ah because it's included in Travail).

1996 年“深蓝”与加里·卡斯帕罗夫下了六局,这只是第一局。这局棋似乎代表了三个国家:蒙德、稻妻和璃月。所以,我们还有足够的对局分配给之后的每个国家:须弥、枫丹、纳塔、至冬和坎瑞亚——我算上坎瑞亚是因为它也包含在“足迹”预告片中。

 

Okay, game one carries up to the end of Inazuma's story arc, which lets us map a pawn to Signora and the knight that captured her to the Shogun. But if we think of the archons as being represented by their Gnoses, then that means the Electro-Gnosis should be a knight, right? But hang on a second, it makes sense to me if the Shogun or Ei is represented by the knight piece since she was the battle-ready one of the twins. But Makoto was the true original archon. So, by that logic, the Gnosis should reflect Makoto and not the Shogun. But to confuse things even more, the person who had the Gnosis for the last 500 years was actually Miko, who then gave it to Scaramouche. So, there are four options to choose from here.

那么,第一局持续到稻妻剧情的结尾,于是我们将兵对应为“女士”,将吃掉它的马对应为雷电将军。如果认为尘世执政以神之心为代表,那么雷神之心就应该是马,对吧?先别急,认为代表雷电将军或者影的是马,这不无道理,因为她是两姐妹中负责战斗的那个。但真正的、最初的尘世执政应该是真。所以,按这个逻辑,神之心代表的应该是真而不是雷电将军。但情况还要更加复杂,因为最近五百年持有这枚神之心的其实是神子,然后她又将它交给了“散兵”。于是,这就有了四个选择。

 

That means the real question is: Are we using the Gnoses to represent the current archons, the original archons, or just the person who happens to possess the Gnosis? Unfortunately, we don't have another "Winter Night's Lazzo"-style trailer chessboard to compare Match 2 with yet. But the endgame of Match 2, which should represent just Sumeru's Archon Quest, was basically a fight between two bishops. Which is why many, myself included, believed that the Electro-Gnosis and the Dendro-Gnosis were both bishops. You know, since Scaramouche and Nahida confronted each other and both of them were in possession of their respective Gnoses.

所以真正的问题应该是:神之心代表的究竟是当前的尘世执政、最初的尘世执政,还是恰好持有神之心的人?可惜,我们没有另一个“冬夜愚戏”的棋局来与第二场对局相比较。第二局棋的收尾阶段应该只代表须弥的魔神任务,大体上是两个象的战斗。所以包括我自己在内的很多人认为雷神之心和草神之心都是象。因为“散兵”和纳西妲对峙之时,两人都持有各自的神之心。

 

But that still doesn't answer the question of who or what the Gnosis is actually representing on the board. If it's just representing whoever's holding it, then the Electro-Gnosis is probably not a knight but instead a bishop, since Scaramouche was the one who was actually holding and using the Gnosis. Which means that Makoto would also be a bishop of sorts, I guess.

但这依然没有解决“神之心在棋盘上代表谁或什么东西”的问题。如果它只代表持有它的人,那么雷神之心就可能不是马,而是象,因为持有并使用神之心的实际上是“散兵”。这表明真也可能是象——是吗?

 

Although you could also make the case that there could be two Electro-Gnoses, since you know the Electro Archons were twins. So one Electro Bishop Gnosis and then one Electro Knight Gnosis. But like, even though I can kind of see that because we have two different types of Electro slimes, it still just seems really unlikely. Because why wouldn't Ei just talk about using her own Gnosis for things? Why use Makoto's? Why is all this emphasis on Makoto's Gnosis? And really, this is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to trying to decipher who has what piece and why. And I could go on for a really long time going over all of them, but no matter how you rationalize this, no matter how you look at every theory around these Gnoses representing different pieces of the same chess set, they all come with some kind of currently unresolvable problem.

你也许会说,雷神之心可能有两个,因为两代雷神是两姐妹嘛,所以有一个象的雷神之心,一个马的雷神之心。尽管我能理解这种说法,毕竟有两种不同的雷史莱姆,但它似乎还是不太可能。因为影为什么不用自己的神之心?为什么要用真的?为什么要强调真的神之心?不过呢,这些都只是解释谁持有哪个棋子、为什么是这个棋子的冰山一角。我可以继续讲很长时间,把所有“神之心代表一副国际象棋不同棋子”的猜想都说一遍,但无论如何寻找合适的理由、无论如何看待这些猜想,它们都存在目前无法解释的问题。

 

So let me play devil's advocate for a bit. Chess is not like Checkers where you have to capture all of your opponent's pieces to win, and it's not like Go either where you have to go around capturing as much territory as you possibly can. The only goal of Chess is to capture or corner the king, and that's it. That's the whole point of Chess. It's just capture the king. It's like Capture the Flag but on a board game. 

Now, thus far in every region, the goal of the Fatui has been to capture or corner the Archon, because the Archons have the Gnoses. So in my eyes, Game One must have ended in Inazuma because the Archon did not have the Gnosis. So even if they cornered her, it wouldn't have let them achieve their goal because she wasn't the king piece. She didn't have the winning piece. Scaramouche had already taken it with him. So the Fatui lost the match because the enemy team didn't have a king piece to capture. There was no way to win that game, which is probably why Pierro's just like, "Oh yeah, we lost the battle but not the war" (I'm paraphrasing, but you get the idea).

所以就让我当一回魔鬼的代言人吧。国际象棋不像国际跳棋,必须吃掉对方的所有棋子才算赢;它也不像围棋,必须尽可能多地占领地盘。国际象棋的唯一目标是将死或困住对方的王,仅此而已。把王将死,这就是国际象棋的重点,就像桌游版的夺旗赛。

截止目前,愚人众在每个国家的目标都是“将死”或困住尘世执政,因为他们有神之心。所以在我看来,第一局棋在稻妻结束,因为雷神没有神之心。所以即使愚人众把她逼到死角,也无法达成目标,因为她不是“王”,她没有代表胜利的棋子。“散兵”带走了它,所以愚人众输掉了对局,因为对方没有王可以“将死”。由于没有赢的条件,皮耶罗才会说:“好吧,我们输了这场战斗,但没有输掉整场战争”——我只是说个大意,你们明白意思就行。

 

Now take a look at Game Two. I mentioned earlier that it was a battle between two Bishops, and that's definitely true. But the identities of these Bishops are not equated to Nahida and Scaramouche. Instead, these two are each side's respective Kings. Technically speaking, before this match even started, Scaramouche had already half given the Gnosis to the Fatui since he was one of their number. It hadn't gone all the way to Tsaritsa yet, which is probably why it could be on the board. But this would also put Nahida in the position of the King on the opposite side. Neither Nahida, nor Scaramouche have much freedom of movement during the Sumeru Archon quest, so this kind of fits their position as kings in this particular match way more than it does the Bishops.

再看第二局。前面提到,这局是两个象之间的战斗,这肯定没问题。但这两个象的真身并不是纳西妲和“散兵”。其实,他们应当是双方的“王”。原则上说,在局棋开始之前,“散兵”的神之心已经半入愚人众之手,因为他是愚人众的一员。它还没有送交冰之女皇,这或许是它还在这局棋盘上的原因。而这也将纳西妲置于对方王的位置。在须弥魔神任务期间,纳西妲和“散兵”的行动自由都不大,所以他们更恰当的位置是王,而不是象。

 

Now, at the end of the Archon quest, Nahida is confronted by Dottore, who eventually takes both the Dendro and the Electro-Gnosis from her, thus allowing the Fatui to win the game. However, if you compare this outcome to the ending of Game Two, you'll notice that the Bishop is the piece that puts the losing side's King into check. Therefore, the Bishop here must be Dottore and not Scaramouche, which means that the other Bishop could be the Traveler. Now, this game ended by resignation, which is actually in line with how Nahida gambled on Dottore, buying her bluff about Celestia waking up. It's just check versus checkmate, really. It's a distinction I'm trying to make. But again, in this scenario, that makes Nahida a king piece, which is the same as Venti. And yeah, you can have two knights, Bishops, and Rooks in a set, no problem. But you can't really have two kings, now can you?

在须弥魔神任务的最后,纳西妲与“博士”对峙,最终被他取走了草神之心和雷神之心,因此这局是愚人众赢了。然而,如果你将这个结果与第二局棋的残局比较,可以看到,能够将死败方之王的棋子是象。因此,这里的象必然是“博士”,而不是“散兵”,于是另一个象可能是旅行者。比赛以“深蓝”认输结束,这其实对应了纳西妲与“博士”的打赌。她要唤醒天空岛不过是虚张声势,结果也只是困死和将杀的区别——这是我有意做的区分。这种情况下,纳西妲代表的棋子就是王,与温迪相同。一方的棋子有两个马、两个象和两个车,这没问题。但不会有两个王,对吧?

 

And that's what I started wondering. What if we're just wrong about the way we think about the Gnoses? What if they're not all pieces from the same chess set? What if instead, they are each their respective Kings from their own chess sets? Take another look at the three Gnoses that we have seen thus far in-game. Do you notice anything odd about them? Each of them is visually distinct. Yes, they're all gold, black, and with a gemstone filling to match their Archon's element. But beyond that, they don't really look like they belong together.

于是我有了别的想法。我们对神之心的看法是不是错了呢?它们是否并非一副棋的棋子,而是各自的国际象棋中的王?再看看游戏中能够看到的三枚神之心。你注意到它们的奇怪之处了吗?每一枚的外观都独具特色。诚然,它们都是金中带黑,并且镶嵌了对应执政元素的宝石。但除此之外,它们真的不像是同一副棋里的棋子。

 

Just look at the bases. The Electro-Gnosis doesn't flare outwards at the bottom or have the little flared bits at the top. The patterns on them are also different, as are the overall shapes and decorations. And take another close look at the top of these Gnoses. Notice how the Anemo- and Geo-Gnosis both have four-pointed crowns, while the Electro-Gnosis... okay, well, you could argue for both two and four points here, but the main point I want to make is that its top actually represents the helmet of a Shogun. And Shoguns were often described as kings by foreigners due to similarities in the power and influence that they wielded, even though they were technically ranked beneath the Emperor. But they were basically the real power behind the throne, anyways. So, whatever, it still applies. This basically makes it kind of like a king's crown, right? I know it's a little bit of a stretch, just roll with me. And if you want to get clever, you can compare a crown indicative of each Gnosis's influential region, and you'll notice that they match up pretty well.

只须看看它们的底座。雷神之心的底部没有向外突出,上面也没有外翻。它们的图案也各不相同,整体形状和装饰也是如此。再仔细看一下这些神之心的顶部。请注意,风神之心和岩神之心都有四角王冠,而雷神之心嘛……好吧,你说它是两个角还是四个角都行,但我想说的主要观点是,它的顶部其实代表了将军的头盔。虽然将军的地位原则上低于天皇,但外国人经常将他们视为国王,因为他们的权力和影响力与国王相差无几。真正的权力属于皇室背后的他们。总而言之,这些是对得上的,因此它基本上也等同于王冠,对吧?我知道这或许有点牵强,但先跟着我走。聪明伶俐的你,可以比较每枚神之心与它所代表的国家的王冠,你会发现它们非常匹配。

 

The Anemo-Gnosis, this matches that of a medieval European king's crown, which fits perfectly for Monstat. And Inazuma obviously matches the Japanese Shogun. And, well, I admit the Liyue comparison is a little bit of a stretch, but you can still see the basic square shape of a Chinese Emperor's headpiece here. I would actually like to propose that the Geo-Gnosis is probably also referencing either the dragons of the five directions or the five emblematic animals, of which the yellow dragon, who would be Zhongli in this case, is at the center. And that makes a four-pointed box, which would match Venti's four-pointed crown. And while the Shogun's crown doesn't appear to have four points total, you could make a case at the top that branching out and splitting into two counts as four. I know that's weak, but I'm gonna account for some artistic license here. But in any case, this idea that every Gnosis is the king of a different region's chess set also resolves issues the one chess set theory had, like how there were only seven archons and eight chess pieces, or who were the pawns in those chess sets, or why would Electro potentially have two pieces, etc. etc. You get the idea.

风神之心的王冠与中世纪欧洲国王的王冠相符,非常契合蒙德。稻妻的显然是日本将军。呃,我承认璃月的有些对应不上,但依然可以看到与中国皇帝的冠冕相匹配的方形。这里我想说,岩神之心或许还参考了五方神龙或五方神兽,其中的黄龙,游戏中是钟离,位于中心。这就构成了一个四角盒,与温迪的四角王冠相匹配。将军的王冠虽然貌似没有四个尖角,但顶部两支的分叉一共也可以算成四个了。我知道这个论断有些薄弱,其中大概有些艺术上的考量。但无论如何,“每枚神之心都是各个国家的国际象棋的王”这个想法,能解决国际象棋论中的某些问题,比如尘世执政有七名,棋子却有八个;又如,这些棋局中的兵是谁,或者雷神为什么可能有两个棋子等等。我就不多说了。

 

And it works well with the theory that the Gnoses came from the power of the seven sovereigns, the seven Dragon Kings, right? That's a pretty popular theory when it comes to Gnoses. It also means that the chess pieces they replace on the board, ala Lazzo, doesn't even matter because the Gnoses are just there as placeholders. Think of it more like swapping out your player piece during a game of Monopoly or if you're playing a game of something like Risk or Stratego. The Gnoses can take the place of basically any soldier on the field. It's kind of like putting on a costume and then assuming a role. Also, keep in mind that Visions are called primitive Gnoses by Venti, which might suggest that, metaphorically at least, Vision wielders are the pawns. The special property of a pawn in chess is that if it makes it to the other side of the board, it can promote or maybe Ascend is a better term. And from there, the pawn can become any piece in the game, except the king, because there can only be one king per color. And not to tie this back to Deshret, like I do a lot of the time, but Deshret, the Scarlet King, wanted to make Humanity the king of all Kings, to rise above the gods and basically become their own Gods. And to do that, he tried to break the cycle of seven by implementing the same plan as the dragon Kings. Obtain Forbidden Knowledge and use it to challenge heaven. And maybe if he succeeded, then those little pawns could Ascend to the Forbidden role of King.

此外,它也与神之心来自七个君王,也就是七龙王之力的猜想相吻合。这是另一个关于神之心的非常流行的猜想。这也意味着,它们在那什么愚戏的棋盘上代表什么棋子,其实根本就不重要,因为神之心只是“占位符”而已。你可以在《大富翁》里用神之心替换你的角色棋子,如果你玩的是《大战略》(Risk)或西洋陆军棋之类的桌游,也可以用它们替换战场上的任何士兵。这就像换套衣服,然后去扮演某个角色。还记得温迪将神之眼称为初级神之心的事吧,这可能暗示神之眼是兵,至少也是种隐喻。国际象棋中的兵有个特殊规则:如果它到达棋盘对面的底边,就可以升变,或许用“晋升”更恰当一些。总之,兵可以变成任何一种棋子,王除外,因为每种颜色只能有一个王。这里不必像我经常做的那样,将这一点与赤王联系起来。但提到赤王,他想让人类成为众王之王,超越众神之上,成为自己的神。为此,他意图打破七之循环,实施与众龙王相同的计划,获得禁忌知识,并以此挑战上天。如果他成功了,那些小小的兵就可以晋升为禁忌的角色——王。

 

Anyway, I don't really have much more to add for right now. I guess we'll just have to wait and see until we can see at least one other Gnosis before we can say for sure one way or another what these pieces are, what they represent. Or maybe we'll get another Winter Nights Lazzo, that would be awesome too. But that's gonna do it for my spicy take theory salad. So what'd you think? Is it possible, plausible, probable? Or is it just poop? Let me know in the comments down below. A special thank you to all of my channel members who have been very patient with me as I was trying to catch up after not posting videos for like a whole month. I've got a lot of stuff in the oven right now and I cannot wait to share them. In, oh, oh hey, you, the one who's still watching this video, thanks for sticking around to the end. Never doubt your awesomeness. But all right, guys, take care of yourselves. Stay hydrated, don't forget to stretch, and I will see you all in the next one. Bye for now.

至此,我也没有什么要补充的了。我想,我们只能等到至少另一枚神之心出现,才能确定这些棋子是什么,代表了什么。又或者,我们也许会看到另一场“冬夜愚戏”,那也很不错。我的这份辣味猜想沙拉就到此为止了。你觉得怎么样呢?可信吗,合理吗,有可能吗?还是胡说八道?在下面的评论中告诉我吧。衷心感谢所有耐心等待了我一个月的频道成员们。烤箱里已经塞了很多东西,我迫不及待地想要分享给大家。啊,对了,你,还在看这个视频的人,感谢你坚守到最后。别小看了自己的了不起。那么,大家多保重,多喝水,记得舒展身体,我们下期再会。拜拜。

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